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Spot on candy good post

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Quote: hull2524 "Spot on candy good post'"

..... but prepare to get shot down in flames.

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Quote: barham red "Pretty simplistic view that, if all a coach has to do is say 'go score loads of tries' and if the players don't then its their fault? If they do he's a genius. Think I could do that.

Think you need to look at what makes a top coach a top coach, motivation, training techniques, providing a nurturing environment, discipline, understanding and having a plan for the opposition, creating a playing ethos, hard work, financial backing and luck. Some people are cut out for this and others maybe aren't?

I listened to Radfords post match a few weeks ago after a loss and paraphrasing he said something along the lines of 'if you get in the positions to score enough times the team should score some points' I thought at the tiime that I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.'"


No I agree with you. All I am saying is I don't think the players are faultless here. Radford IMO is so far out of his depth it's untrue. His after match press conferences are that of a halfwit. I believe HE (radford) thinks things are that simple, which is the crux of the issue.

To respond to your last paragraph though, clearly part of the battle is getting in the right place to score the tries. Hull FC SHOULD be scoring a lot more (use the Derby as an example) but we just don't look like doing it and why, well, that's exactly what we need an answer for.

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For me, the Derby game showed what Radford is about.

If you cannot get a team fired up for a derby game, when we had at least 6 Hull born players, then you really are poor. There was no passion in that game at all, proven by the fact that normally, you see at least 2 or 3 fights, or an all-in battle. There were none.

Gentle knew and understood the passion and how the crowd react to fiery temperaments, the odd high-shot etc. The team then feed on it.

So Radford "works hard"? What about his ability, which is sadly absent.

That makes depressing reading for me and will do nothing to erode fans' skepticism.

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Quote: ccs "..... but prepare to get shot down in flames.'"


What like the others do who don't share your view and that of a few others on here?

I may not agree with fcandy and probably have the opposite view in terms of continuing to blindly attend but I unlike others will not shoot him down in flames or ridicule him just because he has an opposing view.

Maybe some of the so called happy clappers could adopt the same policy. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Bombed Out "What like the others do who don't share your view and that of a few others on here?

I may not agree with fcandy and probably have the opposite view in terms of continuing to blindly attend but I unlike others will not shoot him down in flames or ridicule him just because he has an opposing view.

Maybe some of the so called happy clappers could adopt the same policy.
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bombed out the thing is on some of your points i agree, the way you go about others i dont, but everbody is allowed an opinion, i ask again who are these clappers ?, not me as am about as fedup as you i expect,

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looks like the falling gates are having an impression on Pearson icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

well when he comes out and defends one of the most ineffective coach I've seen in over 40 years of following FC what does he expect people to do?
I love the club and all I can do to try get him to change his mind about the coaching issues is withdraw my paying support, enough is enough for this supporter and until Radford goes I will be 1 less in the dwindling crowd ,I know this hurts the club overall but something has to change.

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Quote: fcandy " No one accept Adam knows what factors are in the mix when finalising those decisions and I suspect the financial burden of the club is now having a major influence on them. '"


I think this is the nub of the matter. Everything else is spin and opinion depending on whether you're AP , the hired help , a glass half full fan or the opposite. We don't know whether AP is making decisions based on finance rather than what he knows is right/better. That not knowing means it's difficult to know what to do as a fan. Do you stop going and hasten the demise of the club or keep it going in the short term but end up making things worse in the longer term as the damage to the club increases incrementally? Ultimately although I moan and complain on here , at the KC and to anyone who'll listen , until I actually get to the ground and the game starts I still want to be there more than I don't - just.

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supporters are upset, disappointed and even angry, but I'd urge them to turn up on Friday and get behind the team.

"We are where we are and there is no point crying out in disappointment because we cannot change what has happened."

Well, that's it for me. I'm not going until Radford has gone. Pearson has basically said he isn't going to do anything and we just have to put up with it. I bloody do not and I will not.

The coach isn't good enough and the chairman doesn't have the RL knowledge to see. We are going downhill at an even bigger pace now.

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Quote: Diablo1967 "For me, the Derby game showed what Radford is about.'"

But yet we'd managed to beat them 28-0 in the previous derby league game?

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Quote: hull2524 "bombed out the thing is on some of your points i agree, the way you go about others i dont, but everbody is allowed an opinion, i ask again who are these clappers ?, not me as am about as fedup as you i expect,'"


I challenge KnockersBump on another thread about him commenting that some are happy with the current situation, and who these people were, as I haven't see any.

I've seen the 'happy clappers' comment a few times, and other than about 10 people after the game on Friday (who I think were more clapping Paea personally rather than the team), I haven't seen anyone who's happy about what's happening.

I think it's more a default response to people who don't agree with their viewpoint.

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Quote: fcandy "This all comes down to one decision for me, either I stop supporting the club I love or continue to go and support it despite the obvious issues that need addressing. If enough people decide to do the first option in protest of the current failings in coaching and player performance then longer term this actually makes getting to the place we all want the club to be more difficult (Cutting off your nose to spite your face). It may even contribute to the eventual demise of the club. That is something I can simply not do as I would rather have a failing club that could potentially be great one day than no club at all.

We have to accept that only one man's decision counts in reality, and although the large majority disagree with his stance on the coach, he has earned the right by way of investment to make those decisions. No one accept Adam knows what factors are in the mix when finalising those decisions and I suspect the financial burden of the club is now having a major influence on them. Our owner has invested a lot of money, always been open and honest with us, has accepted past mistakes and has always had the clubs best interest at heart. As a fan base we can expect little more when you think of all the factors working against him at present. I think he and therefore the team deserves our backing all things considered.'"

Good post.

Surely any true fan can see this?

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Quote: Errlee Berd "I challenge KnockersBump on another thread about him commenting that some are happy with the current situation, and who these people were, as I haven't see any.

I've seen the 'happy clappers' comment a few times, and other than about 10 people after the game on Friday (who I think were more clapping Paea personally rather than the team), I haven't seen anyone who's happy about what's happening.

I think it's more a default response to people who don't agree with their viewpoint.'"

Unfortunately, to some on here you can't be unhappy with things that are happening without utter condemnation of Radford, Pearson, Tony, the fans that argue different.
If you do you're accused of 'blindly accepting' the situation. Which isn't true. I'd watch FC if we were in the NCL with Standee as coach, it's just called being a supporter to me.

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Quote: ChrisH "I think this is the nub of the matter. Everything else is spin and opinion depending on whether you're AP , the hired help , a glass half full fan or the opposite. We don't know whether AP is making decisions based on finance rather than what he knows is right/better. That not knowing means it's difficult to know what to do as a fan. Do you stop going and hasten the demise of the club or keep it going in the short term but end up making things worse in the longer term as the damage to the club increases incrementally? Ultimately although I moan and complain on here , at the KC and to anyone who'll listen , until I actually get to the ground and the game starts I still want to be there more than I don't - just.'"


This is probably about the most sensible way to go about deciding whether or not to attend, TBH. I've assessed on the same basis, I just happen to have reached a different verdict. Last week brought it home to me, really. I was invited to something on Friday, and instead of the previously reflexive 'Sorry I can't, Hull are at home' response that was the norm, the offer appealed. I'm p***ed off and bored at the match, I'm p***ed off for the rest of the evening, when discussing it over the course of the rest of the week, or when I see pieces like today's from Pearson making excuses and appealing for more patience, and it makes me angry and resentful of the effort and money I've expended when I see the kind of performances typical of this and last season.

So it's a personal thing, but I'm no longer prepared to spend money on something that makes me miserable.

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