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Anybody heard from Wilf? I fear for the end of the diary! Please Mr Pearson , put us all out of our misery, and safe the diary

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Quote: ChrisH "There have been bad times in the past , of course there have but those times were as a result of the lack of facilities , the lack of money , having no one capable of making a good business decision and possibly having people in charge who didn't have the interest of the club at heart. The utterly disappointing thing now is that we have the facilities , the money , at least to a degree , crowds that despite everything still come in numbers that are double or treble those that went in other dark times , and a guy who genuinely wants the club to succeed who has a track record of success in business and , again to some degree , in sport.
We're holed below the waterline and sinking but the crew are still sitting in the deck chairs and telling the captain not to worry and that the weather will improve and it'll be all right.
It won't unless something changes. You can't change the squad as a whole so it has to be the coaching set up. All of them. Lets stop playing amateur hour and install professional experienced people in order to create a professional culture.
It's tough to watch FC play. The rugby is dour and dumb and the results dreadful but it's the fact that we're a laughing stock that really hurts.'"


Couldn't have put it better myself. So I won't.

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Quote: Kosh "You think Wigan fans don't have 'expectations'? Or Leeds fans? Wire? Saints? See those teams crumbling under the pressure?

The fans and media have absolutely nothing to do with the mess we're in. That's down to Pearson being bounced into sacking Gentle and appointing the wrong successor. It's not like many of us didn't see it at the time Radford was appointed, either.

The buck stops at the man in charge. Pearson dug the hole we're in all by himself, and he's the one who's going to have to get us out of it. And he's running out of time.'"


I agree, I'd also say expectations for this season were low anyway, I think most were happy with scraping in to 8th place and a decent cup run. A lot less expectation that the talk of top4 and cup finals just a couple of years ago.

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All I expect from FC is to be entertained.

We lost 7-6 against Warrington at the start of the year. That was the most entertaining game of the season so far. Even the wins have been dire affairs.

Just give us something to watch.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "All I expect from FC is to be entertained.

We lost 7-6 against Warrington at the start of the year. That was the most entertaining game of the season so far. Even the wins have been dire affairs.

Just give us something to watch.'"


I don't mind watching a defeat of its been a good game, the home game against Wigan 2/3 years back where the entire ground gave both sides a standing ovation and the Wigan fans applauded the East stand being a prime example, we lost but it was a top game to watch.

Heard a very worrying rumour this morning that Pearson is simply running out of cash after his divorce, but of course these rumours gather pace when times are bad.

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Quote: Erik the not red "Its all very well blaming McRae but while he certainly wasn't brilliant and made some questionable signings, the uncomfortable fact remains that the performance on the pitch showed some improvement when he arrived and has deteriorated since he's gone.'"

McRae wasn't responsible for the performances on the pitch...

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Pearson made the wrong call after the 'get Gentle sacked' surrender at Huddersfield.
Defensive coach - Radford and our tough tackling centre who resembled a turnstile that day should have paid the price.
Gentle could have been given an enforcer to balance his laid back, nice guy approach - our attack was looking good under him - seeing him in the EELS dugout just shows what a bad decision that was.

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Quote: al283 "Pearson made the wrong call after the 'get Gentle sacked' surrender at Huddersfield.
Defensive coach - Radford and our tough tackling centre who resembled a turnstile that day should have paid the price.
Gentle could have been given an enforcer to balance his laid back, nice guy approach - our attack was looking good under him - seeing him in the EELS dugout just shows what a bad decision that was.'"

Agree. First time I was really disappointed in Pearson's decision-making and judgement. What was he thinking and who was he listening to? And why?

Like Bones - I'd like a pint (well, glass of wine in my case) with Andy Hay.

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Quote: UllFC "Heard a very worrying rumour this morning that Pearson is simply running out of cash after his divorce, but of course these rumours gather pace when times are bad.'"

Let's say this is true and there is no cash. There are no other interested parties. No money to pay off Radford, let alone spend big on a new coach. No cash to replace outgoing directors. Let's say this is true. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, how, in his scenario, will staying away from games help Hull FC survive in the top flight? This isn't a question about previous decisions which have been discussed ad nauseam nor a defence of them. But a simple question. If there is no money and no alternative, how will withholding financial support help Hull FC?

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Let's say this is true and there is no cash. There are no other interested parties. No money to pay off Radford, let alone spend big on a new coach. No cash to replace outgoing directors. Let's say this is true. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, how, in his scenario, will staying away from games help Hull FC survive in the top flight? This isn't a question about previous decisions which have been discussed ad nauseam nor a defence of them. But a simple question. If there is no money and no alternative, how will withholding financial support help Hull FC?'"


The simple answer that you clearly know is that it won't.

It's one of those issues where there's no 'right' answer. Stay away and it causes at least short term, and in possible circumstances permanent damage to the club. Keep stumping up and you're subsidising Pearson's stubbornness and/or stupidity and simultaneously giving him little reason to change anything.

It's similar to people who complain at the declining quality and originality of Hollywood films and still queue up for the next Transformers etc.

Best to just decide whether or not you still enjoy it and want to go. You shouldn't feel like you have to out of some sort of obligation.

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Quote: carl_spackler "The simple answer that you clearly know is that it won't.

It's one of those issues where there's no 'right' answer. Stay away and it causes at least short term, and in possible circumstances permanent damage to the club. Keep stumping up and you're subsidising Pearson's stubbornness and/or stupidity and simultaneously giving him little reason to change anything.

It's similar to people who complain at the declining quality and originality of Hollywood films and still queue up for the next Transformers etc.

Best to just decide whether or not you still enjoy it and want to go. You shouldn't feel like you have to out of some sort of obligation.'"

Fair points. In the scenario of no money, what specifics could Pearson change? IMO humility and transparency in communications is one. I'm not suggesting there's any obligation on anyone BTW. But in the scenario we're on the financial brink, there'd be a real risk that staying away could contribute directly to not having a SL team to support. Clearly there are other factors that may have led to this, but that doesn't change the choices in front of us.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Fair points. In the scenario of no money, what specifics could Pearson change? IMO humility and transparency in communications is one. I'm not suggesting there's any obligation on anyone BTW. But in the scenario we're on the financial brink, there'd be a real risk that staying away could contribute directly to not having a SL team to support. Clearly there are other factors that may have led to this, but that doesn't change the choices in front of us.'"


Well first off, I don't actually believe we're at that point. I think Pearson did a bit of scaremongering to try and drum up some more sales out of fear because too many were/are getting fed up of and wise to buying jam tomorrow. If things were so tight I don't think we'd be flying Motu Tony to the other side of the world for signings to fill our cap for next year, especially when there's a chance of the Championship.

But in answer to your question, if Pearson can't afford the necessary changes he has 2 options: 1) Cut the wage bill as contracts end. We're not really any better at full cap than we probably would be at lower, we play such a basic, dull style we could do it to pretty much the same standard with cheaper players. 2) Reduce the selling price by however much is necessary to find a taker. He'll lose money, but the harsh truth is that that would be the price of his own mistakes. He was possibly on the brink of some financial success before he set fire to his own production line.

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Quote: al283 "
Gentle could have been given an enforcer to balance his laid back, nice guy approach - our attack was looking good under him - seeing him in the EELS dugout just shows what a bad decision that was.'"


Aye.
Uncle Peter has managed to get the Eels up to the heady heights of 15th out of 16 thus far on the NRL ladder since contributing his expert coaching qualities

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Quote: carl_spackler "Well first off, I don't actually believe we're at that point. I think Pearson did a bit of scaremongering to try and drum up some more sales out of fear because too many were/are getting fed up of and wise to buying jam tomorrow. If things were so tight I don't think we'd be flying Motu Tony to the other side of the world for signings to fill our cap for next year, especially when there's a chance of the Championship.

But in answer to your question, if Pearson can't afford the necessary changes he has 2 options

I'm not sure we're at that point either, but it was a response to a post suggesting we are. Not sure about scaling back squad quality. We'd have takers for Shaul and Lineham for example but without their contributions we'd probably be 4-6 points worse off - we rely heavily on individual plays as the structure's so lacking. Taking out the calibre of players who can do this might further weaken our grip on tge top flight.

Not sure about reducing the price to cut his losses. Although Sky money's gone up, most clubs lose money and will want to participate in the marquee signing market and the situation with the SMC gives a buyer a headache in terms of security and cost of tenure at the KC. I think FC was up for sale for a long time before AP bought us. Are there willing suitors our there? I haven't heard whispers of any.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "I'm not sure we're at that point either, but it was a response to a post suggesting we are. Not sure about scaling back squad quality. We'd have takers for Shaul and Lineham for example but without their contributions we'd probably be 4-6 points worse off - we rely heavily on individual plays as the structure's so lacking. Taking out the calibre of players who can do this might further weaken our grip on tge top flight.

Not sure about reducing the price to cut his losses. Although Sky money's gone up, most clubs lose money and will want to participate in the marquee signing market and the situation with the SMC gives a buyer a headache in terms of security and cost of tenure at the KC. I think FC was up for sale for a long time before AP bought us. Are there willing suitors our there? I haven't heard whispers of any.'"



Quick question Mrs. B. If you had the money (and obviously I don't know whether you have or not) would you consider investing it in the shambles that is Hull FC.

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