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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Is it? I'd rather go with a seasoned pro like Micheals slightly underdone but then again most people are forgetting we still have Arundel who has had a full pre-season'"
you'd risk a player, who hasn't had match time, back from surgery over Logan, who can hold is own in SL played plenty minutes over pre-season??????
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| Quote: Dave K. "Arundel isn't good enough, average at Hull, didn't stand out at Donny or Bradford last year and looked poor in the friendlies he played this year. I think the fact that he is available and no clubs have come in for him (despite the fact we will no doubt pay towards his salary) tells its own story.'"
Thats about as harsh as it comes!
When Arundel has played he has done no worse than Yeaman. During 2013 he produces SOME good displays (Cas at home and rovers away spring to mind).
As has been pointed out, he stood out when it mattered for Bradford, against his parent club. Hardly a reasonable comment is a beaten team for most weeks.
To be told you're not wanted is hardly the morale booster any player would want, thats bound to have an impact on performance.
That no other club has come in for him suggest the old regimes valuation of him was beyond what other clubs are willing to pay and has no reflection on his actual ability.
Would you take a pay cut to do the same job?
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| Quote: dayvoz "Yet when the coach brings in a seasoned pro(Pryce)who has a much better pedigree than an underdone Michaels,you say its to the detriment of one of our young players.'"
I did suggest JA would be better as first choice 6 & I stick by that, JA is far and away more advanced than Logan in any case & Micheals is a class player, picked for Origin, scored almost 50 tries in circa 120 appearances (have you actually watched Micheals play?). Radford signed Micheals so we use him if he is anywhere near being close, he isn't (or shouldn't be) here as 2nd string back up material unless we have cash to burn and Yeaman is going to remain 1st choice centre along with Sa which would make even less sense if Radford would be looking at Logan as back up centre?
If you're that bothered about my opinions with regard the youth why not have a look at Radford's, last year was an unmitigated disaster, signing of old plodders that were shiate instead of playing the youth
MY OPINION is that I would rather have an underdone Micheals than Logan, but wouldn't be opposed to Arundal, so who would you play and why?
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| Arundel cant play as he would take us over the salary cap - so that a no go.
Micheals I think will be 1st choice centre with Sa on other centre, when fit. but as Micheals has only a one year deal, he will be looking to perform at his best so earn a extension. to do that it would only be fair to play him fully fit and raring to go, so we can see his best. if he's not 100%, we will not see his best, so wouldn't be fair to judge his impact.
Logan is tried and can more then hold his own in SL, so I say play Logan, until Sa and/or Micheals is 100% then bring them in. Yeaman for me will be back up, along with Logan
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Thats about as harsh as it comes!
When Arundel has played he has done no worse than Yeaman. During 2013 he produces SOME good displays (Cas at home and rovers away spring to mind).
As has been pointed out, he stood out when it mattered for Bradford, against his parent club. Hardly a reasonable comment is a beaten team for most weeks.
To be told you're not wanted is hardly the morale booster any player would want, thats bound to have an impact on performance.
That no other club has come in for him suggest the old regimes valuation of him was beyond what other clubs are willing to pay and has no reflection on his actual ability.
Would you take a pay cut to do the same job?'"
It isn't hardsh it's reality and the signing of players like him are the reason for under achieving the last few year, you are right he played well against Cas and Rovers (Both teams that finished below us), but never played well enough against any top sides.
I was at the Bradford game and honestly he was nothing special he finished well, but looked nothing of note against a team that finished 11th.
Ask the Bradford (Struggled to get a place at centre for the team that got relegated) and Doncaster fans what they thought of him, if he doesn't stand out at that level he has no chance at SL.
I'm not a big fan of Yeaman, but IMO his performances have still be above those of Arundel and can produce it against the better sides (As he did on Sunday)
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| Arundle won't be picked for economic reasons.
Michaels won't be picked for fitness reasons.
Logan should be picked as he has already proved that he is good enough at this level.
None of them will be picked if Sa is available.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "I did suggest JA would be better as first choice 6 & I stick by that, JA is far and away more advanced than Logan in any case & Micheals is a class player, picked for Origin, scored almost 50 tries in circa 120 appearances (have you actually watched Micheals play?). Radford signed Micheals so we use him if he is anywhere near being close, he isn't (or shouldn't be) here as 2nd string back up material unless we have cash to burn and Yeaman is going to remain 1st choice centre along with Sa which would make even less sense if Radford would be looking at Logan as back up centre?
If you're that bothered about my opinions with regard the youth why not have a look at Radford's, last year was an unmitigated disaster, signing of old plodders that were shiate instead of playing the youth
MY OPINION is that I would rather have an underdone Micheals than Logan, but wouldn't be opposed to Arundal, so who would you play and why?'"
So we have 2 of our young players both U19 internationals,Firstly Abdul who is back up to Pryce learning from someone with lots of honours and international experience yet you attack Radford for stopping Abdul's development and then say you would have Logan behind a player(Michaels) lacking match fitness and another(Arundel) whose performances have generally been below par making him 5th choice,now most people would see that as blocking his path to the team.
By the way anyone can get stats off wikipedia regarding Michaels.
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| Quote: Hessle Roader "Arundle won't be picked for economic reasons.
Michaels won't be picked for fitness reasons.
Logan should be picked as he has already proved that he is good enough at this level.
None of them will be picked if Sa is available.'"
Not sure Logan's defence is good enough yet at this level, he got exposed quite a bit in the pre season friendlies.
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| If Sa's unfit surely you have to play Michaels?
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| Ellis and sa are out Hadley replacing Ellis not sure who is in centres
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| Quote: wudmansir "Ellis and sa are out Hadley replacing Ellis not sure who is in centres'"
Awful news. Damage limitation time.
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| Quote: Sebasteeno "If Sa's unfit surely you have to play Michaels?'"
I agree with that but Radford no doubt will play Whiting
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Awful news. Damage limitation time.
So we lose the defence of Sa on the right side and the defence and penetration of Ellis on the left side.
Have to say Sa does seem to be injury prone
Was really looking forward to being competitive against Warrington.
The thought of Whiting at centre against a fast Warrington attack really worries me.
Have to admit the optimism has just drained from me on that news.
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| Ellis in particular is a big blow. Mini and Westerman are going to really have to step up to fill the gap.
As for centre. I don't know what kind of shape Michaels is in. I don't really want Whiting there. Logan has done ok playing in largely meaningless matches. This is a big step up for him.
Rankin at centre anyone?
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| Quote: bonaire "So we lose the defence of Sa on the right side and the defence and penetration of Ellis on the left side.
Have to say Sa does seem to be injury prone
Was really looking forward to being competitive against Warrington.
The thought of Whiting at centre against a fast Warrington attack really worries me.
Have to admit the optimism has just drained from me on that news.'"
Whiting shouldn't be anywhere near the centres, we have 4 of them in the squad and 3 are available to play.
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