The game was indicative of our whole season - good defence, poor attack. This needs to change pretty quickly if next season is to be anything other than yet another disappointment.

This.....

Agree 100%.

Recruitment in the off season needs to be brilliant for us to start to seriously challenge

Agree about our recruitment. If we are losing O'Meley, Lynch, Tickle, Briscoe, Galea (that's a fair amount of cap I reckon), and replacing them with Paea/Walker & Thompson then we aren't looking better off imo. We need 2/3 genuine quality players imo.

The game itself the boys never turned up and too many players looked like nerves got the best of them. Wigan didn't play that well but they didn't have to really We just dropped far too much ball . As for next season think Paea will be decent signing but if looking to get Thompson and Walker again both players with potential but need more if looking to get higher in league.Should be looking at Winger cant just have crookes and Lineham .Also feel need more aggression in pack .

The prop is walker from cas. walker, paea, watts, Johnson, green, Bowden is a bottom 6 set of props, not a top 4 one.

Losing quality and experience in o'meley, tickle, galea and replacing them with kids is a recipe for disaster. I'm hoping we have a top class overseas forward coming in.

crookes is also a poor replacement for Briscoe and will leave us weaker

Not done Wigan any harm has it.

Jesus, sorry can't believe I didn't realise that was the recipe for success. Feeling really confident for next year now

"indicative of our season"?

Yesterday's game was indicative of our approach to the game for too many years now. Year after year we have failed to respect and value the ball. The odd wild pass apart (Miller to the TJ), most of the dropped balls came from the receiving player being guilty of man watching. Turning over ball like we did is always going to result in punishment and we got our a[ir[/ises handed to us on a plate yesterday.

I'd heard during the week that Gentle intended to play an expansive game but given yesterday's conditions, I expect that game plan was ripped up. But instead of five drives and a kick, we opted for two drives and a scrum. Failing to execute quick PtBs resulted in our kickers having little time to execute a useful punt downfield, on the few occasions we managed to complete a set - all too often the ball went straight down Tompkins throat. Add to that a lack of chase (not Rangii) and we were usually defending in our own half.

Wigan weren't great but we were woeful in attack, lacking patience and forcing passes that inevitably led to errors and handing possession back to the opposition. At 6-0 down after 40 minutes, I still considered we had a chance. When Wigan went for two points early in the 2nd half, I consider that had more to do with respect for our defence than the weather conditions. And those claiming that we should have gone for goal in similar positions are wise in hindsight but if we had kicked, how would that have improved our attack? OK we wouldn't have been nilled but that's just a pride thing, we still wouldn't have significantly changed the way we were playing and we'd still have lost. We needed to cross for a try to gain any confidence an the panic football we were playing made that a very difficult prospect.

Some have singled players out for criticism: Ben Crooks for allowing Thornely's try but minutes earlier he'd wrapped up Pat Richards to prevent what looked a certain try. Perhaps Crooks wasn't 100% but who else would we play there? We had no 3/4s left and Whiting's best position is from the bench. It would have been a major mistake to put Horney on the pitch. Richard Horne has been a talisman this year but he'd been out for three months and would have been found sadly lacking on the Wembley turf.

One play I would have liked to see yesterday was kicking early in the tackle count, we've got the best defence in Superleague and we should have been using that in Wigan's half of the field, not our own. That would then transfer the pressure to our opponents and force them into playing panic football. We used similar tactics against Wire in the semi and that didn't turn out too shabby. That game also proved we do have some tricks up our sleeve - Whiting's try was a classic training ground move that was perfectly executed.

I'm disappointed about yesterday but that's the sixth time I've seen us lose at Wembley so it's not an alien experience. I suppose living as far away as I do also helps develop a sense of detachment, I certainly don't have to suffer any stupid Rovers supporters crowing at me. I do have some concerns about our squad for next year, especially the forwards, we've wasted Ellis's talents by using him to donkey the ball in instead of running the lines he has done so effectively in the past. Similarly Westerman came as a ball-playing loose forward but we seem happy to have turned him into another donkey. Paea will replace Ogre but we desperately need at least one more mongrel prop to help get us on the front foot. I'd love to see us playing axpansive rugby but until we can better value the possession, that ain't going to happen anytime soon.

Do I still believe Gentle can do it for us? At the moment, yes, I am still convinced he has what it takes to win us silverware but that's going to require a vast improvement in the basic skill sets required and a radical change of attitude from all the playing staff

Didnt turn up,didnt respect possesion or play to the conditions...Wigan wasnt brilliant at all and was definately there for the taking.Panicked when we got ball and then dropped it when we didnt panick.The only time we looked remotely like doing anything was when Heremia was on and he ran at Wigan and they didnt like it,he should have stayed on and Miller gone off but Gentle seems to stick rigidly to a plan.He needs to win the last 2 matches and at least a play off match so get the chance for next season.I would aso question our signings for this season and next.....for me..Holdsworth isnt the answer...went missing big style today and isnt the 1st time he has this season...take away his kicking game and he is average.Miller,i will judge nxt season.Ellis..expected more and injurys a concern now.Crookes..go now please.Johnson...looks totally out of favour so may as well get shut.Recruitment needs to be spot on for nxt season or we wont get the fans back...il be re-newing as have seen a damn sight worse than this and im a fan.

They threw kids into their front row and it didnt harm them...i would have said our pack and subs was better than theirs but they played the conditions better.Id like a bit more size in the pack sure as dont think the small pack works.

cant argue there mate

Not surprised with yesterday's performance TBH.

Our same problems exist, year in, year out.

Against any well drilled defence, we dont look like scoring. - we dont ask any positive questions of the oppositions defence.

Messrs Sandercock & Noble, have improved their attack style,with less resources with existing players,than Gentle has at his disposal.

I dont feel ,as its a personnel problem neither,it appears our basic core skills in attack are neglected -Defensively,we are superb.

Until our attack is improved - things will not change.

I have just watched the game on sky plus. It's clear that eyes were taken off the ball for most of the knock ons.

I still think the conditions should have dictated a more cautious approach in regard to penalty choices. 3 shots in kick able positions would have left us 6-8 down with 20 to go.