arundel was awful on Saturday. If gentle pitches him in against shenton on Friday then I will seriously question both his judgement and his assertion that he will play players in form

I agree Arundel was awful on Saturday as a lot of our team were. I also agree that he shouldn't be playing on Friday night. But I disagree with people consigning him to the scrapheap after just two games.

A lot of people are just saying he should regain some confidence at York. Not many putting him on the scrapheap I don't think.

You seem to have answered your own question.

If Arundel plays he will be facing Jake Webster, Justin Carney and probably Hauraki inside them. All have been superb this year and, even when we haven't won, have certainly come out on top of every other 2nd row/centre/wing partnerships they have faced.

I knew the answer as you did , the point I was making is why does PG make those sorts of comments when he more than anyone should know he's not going to do it. For the most part the disappointment over the last few years is about actions not matching words. The players availability hasn't changed much since Saturday with the exception of Seymour so why make the statement he made?

I think the big plus even though may get slated is Josh Bowden coming back into the side. In the pre season friendly against castleford i though JB played really well. He got hit hard early but stood back up and played a blinder. Big hits and good runs. Think he could be our answer to a Sam Moa style player, but obvs given time

he is sure to be a quality prop got big size and can shift as well straight replacement in 17 for o'meley at end of year for me

McDonnell
Lineham
Arundel
Yeaman
Briscoe
Horne
Holdsworth
Lynch
Houghton
O'Meley
Galea
Westerman
Watts

Heremaia
Johnson
Whiting/Pitts
Tickle

I'd stick with Arundel, he needs games and should not be written off so quickly. Houghton to retain his starting place for me as I like Heremaia from the bench. Galea to keep his place to, thought he was excellent in the first half against Widnes and i'd start Watts at 13.

Arundel does need games, but he clearly for whatever reason isn't up to SL standard at the moment so should be playing for York, he has put in two of the worst performances I have seen from a player in a long time, cost us 5 trys in 2 games and missed about 10 tackles, if he plays this week I will be very disappointed in Gentle.

Also starting Watts after the amount of time he has had out wiudl be hard for him, so I have him on the bench.

Me too but I'd still start with Houghton

You'd have to ask PG. But my guess would be a combination of frustration and a hope that some players would be back and give him more options. And technically he will have a different 17 playing on Friday - just not as much different as we might have hoped.

For me the bigger test will be how he rings the changes if players continue to under-perform over a number of games rather than a one-off fiasco performance. Assuming we have players available to come in, of course. It seems a long time since we had a squad that really appeared to be picked on performance alone.

A one-off fiasco performance, Kosh, where have you been this last 4/6 years, i love this team

with every beat !!!! but even i can see its hardly a one off, if i had my way i would drop every

one who played at Widnes, and i guess we would lose 2 points, but it would show them that

us travelling fans deserve much more, all i ask for is effort and the desire to play for this team

So apart form Seymour who has been dropped ? Thought Gentle was going to make wholesale changes after the Widnes game ?