I don’t think it is just a matter of are we or are we not good enough for some success in the play offs. I think the biggest problem we have is some of the players we are having to play, just cannot be ar$ed.

I think that is what prompted Person to say that we what players who want to play for us.

On that showing any local amateur side would have taken them to the cleaners.Worst display I have had the misfortune to witness.

Before this season began I thought the majority of fans agreed this season was to be a transitional season. AP trying to steady the ship, previous regimes signings, which are gone or going. I'll agree there has been some woeful performances but imo also a few glimpses of quality. Injuries (again) this year has been unbelievable (so players playing out of position.) yet we still sit in the play off positions. Improvements to the youth setup and young lads finally getting a chance. And still people moan. No wonder we get called fickle.

I would take the 66-6 away defeat at wigan as worse that yesterday. i flew all the way from Saudi arabia to go and watch it.

Luckily I missed that one.

people need to remember where we have come from, yes Saturday was a disappointment, but we all know we are carrying some players that know they are moving on, maybe some that have uncertain futures as well.

IF we finish 6th most people would have taken that at the start of the season, they'd certainly have taken it at the end of last, we'll play Huddersfield, who haven't exactly covered themselves in glory this season, they have a departed coach and departing captain, if we get the right players in the Black and White on the day then we can beat anyone.

My biggest worry is this : ' Is this the best Gentle can get out of a side ? '

Any great coach can have 1 poor performance but to have so many poor/average is worrying for me as a great coach can work miracles usually and over a season has very few 'crap' team performances against his name regardless of who's moving on etc

I still think us 6th, Rovers 9th at best, which was what I predicted before the season started. I still think that overall we've had a good season with all factors considered.

You see under Agar it wasn't the players to blame it was the Coach stupid ! , but now with plenty of new players in the side , it's not Gentle's fault. Are we saying that Turner/Manu/O'Meley are completely over running PG mgt ability ? I hope not, because every season you have players you fall out with

Where has anyone said it isn't a combination of players and coaches????

think we will finnish 6 th which is an improvement on last year, we are getting better despite sat terrible display, big change over in playing staff next year and i hope to see us push on further,never easy being an fc supporter,but hey whats new lol

Looking at it in perspective apart from some stumbling performances and some shocking ones, Gentle has still improved on previous seasons and we have qualified for the play offs with games to go (not just scraped in them), beaten Rovers x 2 should have been 3, beaten Leeds for first time in years. All this with a team that was signed by the previous regime and clearly not good enough. We have had players who have come in mid season and players leave mid season, a catalogue of injuries with little or no cover (due to inadequacies from years poor team management/recruitment previously). plus we have seen more academy players in the 17 this season than in the last 5/6 years.

It has been a momumental transistional period from pre season and during the current season but yet we are still in the play off places. It has become clear some players either are not too bothered as they are moving or just can't hack it.

So even with all the issues we have still improved on what we have done in the last few seasons. I am sure Gentle can take this club forward and will not stand for performances like Saturday night.

Great post agree with every word.