It was more a general observation, not your comments. Like I said on another thread, Ganson would have given a penalty for offside to give St Helens a draw anyway.

If we start relying on the Sky team to define forward passes, we might as well give up. I actually rewound it and had another look, as I found it amazing nobody picked up on it.

The Foster decision I'm not sure about TBH. He propels it forward onto Horne but at no time does the ball leave his hand. It doesn't come loose until Horne pushes it the other way. I can see why the decision was given the way it was.

Whiting grounded the ball while collecting it. Would have been enough to give a try so no problem with that one either.

The killer was the Washbrook penalty. Never a pen in a million years.

We made far too many mistakes, especially among the back three. We shouldn't have been just two points ahead at that stage of the game. No argument. Doesn't change the fact that the penalty that levelled the scores wasn't a penalty.

He grounded the ball, and even if it was the wrong decision, Briscoe had a foot on the line before the turnaround. Swings and roundabouts.

There were wrong decisions for both sides that changed the game.

Then surely anyone who collects the ball in goal with the ball in contact with the turf shall be deemed to have grounded it and not be allowed to return it. This happens every game a some point and is never ruled as being grounded.

Been asking myself that question for ages m8.

How can a known St Helens born ref who is known To be a supporter of St Helen's ref there games is beyond me.

He had his whole upper body on it at one point IIRC. I'll be watching the game back again later and may change my mind, but I thought he'd grounded it watching first time at full speed and when they showed the replay.

When collecting it, Whiting applied downward pressure to the ball, before moving onwards and crossing his own line and being tackled. Right decision IMO.

Swings and roundabouts, like you say, but he never stopped IMO and should not have been a drop out.

I want to register my disgust at Hull not seeing off this p!ss poor St Helens team. Blaming Ganson is cheap

18-0 up and still didn't win? Pathetic.

Saints are not the force they were and were there for the taking, and the Hull flops failed to do the business.

But the constalation is Wire are still top,looking down at the rest.

Still sore from last week

As far as I know Silverwoods kids have Leeds season ticketswhich would lead you to believe he is a Leeds fan. Bentham comes from Winwick, therefore Warrington.

Saints got penalised for forward passes, some of which weren't; the Eastmond one was. Hull scored off the last one. On that basis we were robbed.

Either way, I'm very pleased that a team consisting of first team forwards and second rowers (one playing as SO) accompanied by a team of U20s managed a draw. At full strength we should take some beating....

Yep, very sore