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He's 5th in the league for missed tackles. Just as impressive for me is Danny Houghton, 146 tackles and just 3 missed, for a little guy, awesome stats.

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Astonishing stats for superFitz. Worrying ones, though, for Hull.

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Nothing worrying about it really, he's always been a defensive player throughout his career. Much like Swain was, Hindmarsh at Parramatta, Alker was at Salford tackle machines. Not only the that but this makes them all important players for their respective teams, hence you keep them on the field as long as you possibly can! Cant agree with him moving to prop, hes never a prop, hes an ex international second row put him there! Let him tackle his self to a standstill and lighten his load creatively in offence (which is minimal) and let Westerman do what we paid for at loose forward!

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Quote: worldwidefaithful "Nothing worrying about it really, he's always been a defensive player throughout his career. Much like Swain was, Hindmarsh at Parramatta, Alker was at Salford tackle machines. Not only the that but this makes them all important players for their respective teams, hence you keep them on the field as long as you possibly can! Cant agree with him moving to prop, hes never a prop, hes an ex international second row put him there! Let him tackle his self to a standstill and lighten his load creatively in offence (which is minimal) and let Westerman do what we paid for at loose forward!'"



Fitz has said as much himself about the way he plays/has always played but people on here know far better than him. Agree about Westerman as do most people.

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As good as the stats are for Fitz thye should not really be celebrated, I fear burnout or injury for both him and Houghton at some stage. I know Fitz has always worked this hard but I just don't see the sense in killing himself every week.

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Quote: PAUL M "As good as the stats are for Fitz thye should not really be celebrated, I fear burnout or injury for both him and Houghton at some stage. I know Fitz has always worked this hard but I just don't see the sense in killing himself every week.'"


Yeh but its difficult to change the way you play after playing that way for the last 12-15 years! Houghton is slightly different, as I favour rotating the hooking role as theres alot of responsibility in attack, meaning that they get through the most work of any player on the pitch overall. Being made to play the majority of the 80 minutes eventually blunts his effect offensively as the game goes on and without doubt 'burnout'/injury will become apparent if not soon but in the years to come for sure.

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Quote: worldwidefaithful "Yeh but its difficult to change the way you play after playing that way for the last 12-15 years! Houghton is slightly different, as I favour rotating the hooking role as theres alot of responsibility in attack, meaning that they get through the most work of any player on the pitch overall. Being made to play the majority of the 80 minutes eventually blunts his effect offensively as the game goes on and without doubt 'burnout'/injury will become apparent if not soon but in the years to come for sure.'"


He should be playing 60 min per game as a prop with Westerman at 13.

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Hes not a prop! Hes a second row. Theres enough of our team playing out of position already! Westerman at 13 is just common sense to everyone watching apparently apart from the one guy who picks the team!

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Quote: worldwidefaithful "Hes not a prop! Hes a second row. Theres enough of our team playing out of position already! Westerman at 13 is just common sense to everyone watching apparently apart from the one guy who picks the team!'"


He does not have pace to play backrow imo, he played prop very well in the NRL and if you look at what he does for us he is playing like a prop. He just gets the ball and runs straight.

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Quote: PAUL M "He does not have pace to play backrow imo, he played prop very well in the NRL and if you look at what he does for us he is playing like a prop. He just gets the ball and runs straight.'"


Hes probably just knackered from making 62 tackles! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: worldwidefaithful "Hes probably just knackered from making 62 tackles!
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that means that if he made 62 tackles against the Giants and 59 tackles against the Rhinos, he made 47 tackles against Rovers at Millennium Magic (total = 168 tackles)

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this has to stop, i fear he will suffer burnout before the half-way point of the season, what use will he be then?

start him at prop (yes that will mean he's out of position) and start Westerman at 13, surely this will put a stop to at least some of our problems

Agar must be that dumb to see that Westerman is better off at 13, we can see it, why can't he?????

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that means that if he made 62 tackles against the Giants and 59 tackles against the Rhinos, he made 47 tackles against Rovers at Millennium Magic (total = 168 tackles)

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this has to stop, i fear he will suffer burnout before the half-way point of the season, what use will he be then?

start him at prop (yes that will mean he's out of position) and start Westerman at 13, surely this will put a stop to at least some of our problems

Agar must be that dumb to see that Westerman is better off at 13, we can see it, why can't he?????

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Quote: PAUL M "Good point
play him in the s/r and roatate him, in a novel idea we could also rotate Manu, and maybe even Tickle, as long as tickle and Fitz not off at the same time so we'd still have an established kicker on the field!! I know thats assuming we'd score a try icon_lol.gif

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A point not mentioned is the oposition tactics. Run at Fitz all day, he'll still do the 80mins but his creativity will suffer. If you do not run at him all day he will stay fresher and really hurt you when in attack. Just looking at it from the flip side and it is obvious three out of three coaches have identified that nulifying Hulls star player is the way to go and it seems to be working.

Does seem strange spending over 100k on Westerman then not playing him in his best position!

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I play rugby on a staurday and it hurts when the big props get hold of me but I wonder what its like carrying in a ball against the likes of Fitz....Wonder if id survive

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