If we spend the same on player salaries, why shouldn't we expect to compete with everyone else?

That is nonsense IMO, it wasnt like he took over a side that was full of mediocre infact a good few of that squad are still here and are key players ( Yeaman, Horne, Manu, Tickle, Berrigan etc ) he just couldnt motivate them.. Also look at what Nathan Brown did last season and Noble and Mcquire this season, thats a poor excuse in my book

Rather be where we are then crusaders !1st win in 5 at weekend so not sure about this noble thing ?

I'm not sure how much coaching agar actually does? take agar away and with the players we have and the stature and experience they have, they could coach themselves. Backs wise, Long has seen it done it, and twice on a sunday compared to Agar. Forwards wise, OMeley and Fitzgibbon have forgotten more than agar will ever know.

And your point is??

give the coach the credit he deserves.

Your right mate its the first thing that comes in to peoples heads when we lose,some people just dont want him here and find it hard to give him the credit he deserves,now we are winning its all to do with webster,long,omeley,fitz,yes dont get me wrong they will be massive assets to helping agar but at the end of the day rich is the first team coach and he picks the team
every week and coaches them.just imagine if we had beaten salford,crusaders,im not getting carried away with this run and neither is rich as he has said in paper,he will be the first to admitt we still have a long way to go,but lets just enjoy it while we can

No halfback, no success, this is the first full season when Agar has had the chance to address this and he has got us the best available.

The player you mention above are only 5 out of 17, Berrigan has been disapoitting/injured/played out of poistion (not agars fault), Yeaman no service (see above) and Horne injured or not fit for Agar's tenure.

So that Tickle and Manu out of 17 who have played well.

bang on wolfie

I am one of Agars biggest critics, but results are proving me wrong, I have to admit the style we play holds no interest for me and I don't feel inclined to make a special effort to watch games, but that is as much about the move to a Friday night counting me out as anything else.

Some things he does still baffle me, but so did McRae, Sharp and most definitely Walsh.

I'm resigned to the fact that I am never going to see a world class Hull FC (on the pitch) with the current board in place, but SL this season has been very mediocre.(in entertainment terms)

Good post.

Do you REALLY think its that simple?

Taking your logic through to its obvious conclusion, are you saying that if all clubs pay the same on player salaries then the best coached teams should be at the top of the league and the worst coached teams at the bottom?

We may pay the same on salaries as Leeds, Saints, Wigan, Wire but are our players as good as theirs?

How many of our players would be an automatic first choice in those teams?

Are you saying that our players are as good as theirs but we don't perform as well because ours are badly coached?

Are you saying that all we need to do to become a top team is to appoint a top coach?

name one player who has improved under Agar.....you can't.

I think it has been for a few years tbh.

Wille Manu, much fitter and more consistent.

Danny Houghton, looks to have a better allround game.

Briscoe, club and Agar woring hard to get rid of his faults, much improved on high ball.

Sam Moa, nothing really to say, gets better each week.

IMO

Saying that not sure how much Agar has to do with any of these players improving, but all are better players now than they when Agar was appointting head coach.

Fitz & Ogre