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| Quote: fcthefuture "The problem with our defence is the amount of pressure it is under throughout a game , very few sides (if any) could defend effectivley for the amount of time in a game we have to the problem is we have no go forward a beaten pack and no effective halbacks and into that mix no on field leaders so for 60/70 mins a game we are defending.
Watched boots and all a few weeks back and Paul Cullen was anaylising (sp??) our defence and actually pointed out how well we use the pendulum method and how as a squad we cover for each other when others are out of position i.e Tansey out of position somebody automatically drops in.
I'm not the biggist John Sharpe fan but to be honest it is virtually impossible to valuate our defence performaces due to as I have said our lack of attacking play , aggressive pack , strange interchanges , even stranger squad selctions etc. Which all fall in Agars lap.'" In principal I agree that a good attack and completed sets with a good kicking game lays the foundation for good defence. Either you've got the ball and the opposition can't score or they have it down their end. BUT I think that with us the reason we haven't been hammered on occasions is because we've been so soft and disorganised from the off on so many occasions. The intensity for the other team just hasn't had to be that high and teams have cruised through games against us with no prospect of us being able to score points. Great recipe for boring losses. |
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| Quote: DANTHEFCMAN "If/when Agar gets sacked (which tbh should of been done ages ago now) what will happen to Jon sharp? What reason do people think FC would give to sack him (appart from being bab as well) or would he stay and take over agars old role and assist a new coach? Maybe agar should go back to being an assistant because its obvious now he isnt head coach material.'"
you mean the penny finally dropped. i could'nt believe it when he got a 3 and a half year deal, unexperienced, unproven,unable full stop. |
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Our defence is no way aggressive enough, we barely put people on there back. And, im not talking about one person pounding someone on there back solo. As a team, we don't roll people in tackles, a hugely important aspect of the modern game.
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| Quote: richieh1981 "Our defence is no way aggressive enough, we barely put people on there back. And, im not talking about one person pounding someone on there back solo. As a team, we don't roll people in tackles, a hugely important aspect of the modern game.'"
Add to that:
1. Our speed coming off the defensive line is rubbish
2. We don't chase kicks properly/at all. |
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "Add to that
Isn't a lot of that due to poor morale, a lack of confidence within the squad as a whole and a general nervousness Teams who are generally on a bad run of defeats seem like there bickering, not a unit etc.
If you look at Hulls best 2 performances of late (Leeds at home and HKR away) they both came in games where they looked like taking a real pasting and seemed to loose the inhibitions and more or less said F*** it and suddenly looked as tho they were expansive and flowing.
They seem to me to be sacred witless of making a mistake and as such make loads, this then means they need to defend more and the confidence is so low that it takes the other team to 'take there foot off the gas' to allow FC to get some confidence flowing.
I personally don't think your that bad a team and should definitely have made the 8 this year with the squad you have (even with the injuries), the underlying thing I think that gives the team the nervousness and fundamentl lack of confidence is the negative vobe that seems to surroun the team. There never seems to be a news report that doesn;t somehow mention the atrocious injuries, players not getting in the country, lack of pivots, new players coming in to replace current ones, and a lot of this is prematch. All this does it tell the players taking the pitch they're not good enough before they've lifted a finger.
If you flip this and look at Wakey, who had some serious set backs yet seemed to perform better the worse it got. Hull need to get a backs to the wall mentality driven into them (this must come from the coach) and use adversity to drive them on, not to use it as an excuse in waiting.
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| Quote: barham red "If you flip this and look at Wakey, who had some serious set backs yet seemed to perform better the worse it got. Hull need to get a backs to the wall mentality driven into them (this must come from the coach) and use adversity to drive them on, not to use it as an excuse in waiting.'"
That's where Kear excels. Agar, OTOH, gives the impression of being a complete wet lettuce in comparison. Hardly the type of person to generate the right mentality, even if you disregard the stories about the lack of respect in which he is held by most of the squad. |
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| Quote: Kosh "That's where Kear excels. Agar, OTOH, gives the impression of being a complete wet lettuce in comparison. Hardly the type of person to generate the right mentality, even if you disregard the stories about the lack of respect in which he is held by most of the squad.'"
Add in the fact he is apparently a bully and spends a lot of his time texting individual fans, it kind of gives you the impression that he is actually even less professional than we imagine, which is a hell of a cause for concern.
As ever, we'll never know the full truth, rumour will abound. |
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| Quote: Standee "Add in the fact he is apparently a bully and spends a lot of his time texting individual fans, it kind of gives you the impression that he is actually even less professional than we imagine, which is a hell of a cause for concern.
As ever, we'll never know the full truth, rumour will abound.'"
But don't these type of rumours just surround a team performing poorly, look at my team, we looked united all getting on etc, until we had the blip around June/July then all the aussie faction stories emerged, now were doing well again all in the garden is rosy. I'd take most of it with a massive pinch of salt. |
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| Quote: barham red "But don't these type of rumours just surround a team performing poorly, look at my team, we looked united all getting on etc, until we had the blip around June/July then all the aussie faction stories emerged, now were doing well again all in the garden is rosy. I'd take most of it with a massive pinch of salt.'"
I do, until I start to see evidence for myself, which I am starting to, and then I become a bit concerned. |
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| Quote: Standee "Add in the fact he is apparently a bully and spends a lot of his time texting individual fans, it kind of gives you the impression that he is actually even less professional than we imagine, which is a hell of a cause for concern.
As ever, we'll never know the full truth, rumour will abound.'"
What's this about? If you can't say on here could you pm me please? |
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| Quote: Uncle Junior "What's this about? If you can't say on here could you pm me please?'" His best mate Wolfie perhaps  |
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| Quote: Sebasteeno "His best mate Wolfie perhaps ![]()
nope
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'Bullying' is quite an 'accusation' in employment terms,!!
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| Quote: craig woolcock 1982 "you mean the penny finally dropped. i could'nt believe it when he got a 3 and a half year deal, unexperienced, unproven,unable full stop.'"
When did that happen? |
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| Quote: FCTID "'Bullying' is quite an 'accusation' in employment terms,!!'"
Maybe its something to do with Jim Bowen
ie. you cant beat beat a bit of bully  |
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