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| Quote: jeffers#1 "Its all to do with cost as well. Who's going to fund it ?
How come we can go to the video ref for on side off side when you've scored a try from a kick but not for a foreward pass ?'"
Because you dont need to factor in momentum when deciding if someone was offside or not. |
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You only have to look at Raynors reaction to the pass to see it was forward, he ran into the endzone, never put the ball down and then 'spiked' the ball, thus indicating even he thought it was a touchdown pass from the quarterback..
Seriously tho' it was a bit harsh and had the call gone the other way don't think there'd have been much in the way of arguements. Personally don't think the VR should call on forwards, far too vague and up for debate, as has been said a good pass can still travel forward. Don't think hawkeye would work with so many players on the field and would be ridiculously expensive.
Think we need to realise, some you get some you don't..
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| Quote: barham red "You only have to look at Raynors reaction to the pass to see it was forward, he ran into the endzone, never put the ball down and then 'spiked' the ball, thus indicating even he thought it was a touchdown pass from the quarterback..
Seriously tho' it was a bit harsh and had the call gone the other way don't think there'd have been much in the way of arguements. Personally don't think the VR should call on forwards, far too vague and up for debate, as has been said a good pass can still travel forward. Don't think hawkeye would work with so many players on the field and would be ridiculously expensive.
Think we need to realise, some you get some you don't..'"
Gotta agree on that.
However, had there been no VR at Saturdays game there may well have been a different result, so the need now to have them at ALL SL games is of great importance imo and is something the RFL and clubs should be looking to implement at the start of next season. |
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "Gotta agree on that.
However, had there been no VR at Saturdays game there may well have been a different result, so the need now to have them at ALL SL games is of great importance imo and is something the RFL and clubs should be looking to implement at the start of next season.'"
I agree with that, think the whiting and balsawood tries would have stood if it was a regular non televised game. |
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| Quote: barham red "You only have to look at Raynors reaction to the pass to see it was forward, he ran into the endzone, never put the ball down and then 'spiked' the ball, thus indicating even he thought it was a touchdown pass from the quarterback..
Seriously tho' it was a bit harsh and had the call gone the other way don't think there'd have been much in the way of arguements. Personally don't think the VR should call on forwards, far too vague and up for debate, as has been said a good pass can still travel forward. Don't think hawkeye would work with so many players on the field and would be ridiculously expensive.
Think we need to realise, some you get some you don't..'"
Or in the real world, he heard the ref's whistle and call of forward and was frustrated because he knew he was behind Hall when the ball was passed 
I agree that the VR can't be used for forward passes as the vasrying angles all seem to indicate different directions of passes. |
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| I think that some techy wizard could come up with something that would work. Problem is that all Leeds games would last for at least three hours! |
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| Quote: ChrisH "I think that some techy wizard could come up with something that would work. Problem is that all Leeds games would last for at least three hours! ![]()
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| Quote: dano "raynors behind hall when he catches the ball ,end of story ![]()
We have a winner.
Where the balls, relative to the bloke who has passed it. Hall was ahead of Raynor. It was not a forward pass. Silverwood made up the call.
In a similar way, how can off side from a kick in general play be judged accurately by a VR? Thats it, they go on the lines on the pitch and the relative position of the players. This could easily be done for forward passes.
The ref could also as the VR to check it out and if its was not conclusively forward as a second look, benefit of the doubt to the attacking side
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| Quote: Staffs FC "As an alternative to your hawkeye approach the existing technology Andy Gray uses to measure the speed of shots in football could maybe be used (is that Hawkeye? - don't think it is). Surely it would be possible to adapt that technology to project the speed of the passing player. A line could be 'drawn' on screen exactly perpendicular to each touchline passing through the ball at point of release. This line could then be projected forward towards the tryline frame by frame at the speed of the passing player (that being calculated in the same way that the shot speed is calculated in football). Provided the ball never crossed in front of the projected line before being caught then the pass would be deemed legal. '"
Yep, would also work and also only uses existing technology. It is a shame that, despite the usual innovative nature of the game, we've been left behind a bit when it comes to using more advanced technology. Especially when that technology could be used to help with the only area deemed too ambiguous for the VR to judge. |
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "We have a winner.
Where the balls, relative to the bloke who has passed it. Hall was ahead of Raynor. It was not a forward pass. Silverwood made up the call.
In a similar way, how can off side from a kick in general play be judged accurately by a VR? Thats it, they go on the lines on the pitch and the relative position of the players. This could easily be done for forward passes.
The ref could also as the VR to check it out and if its was not conclusively forward as a second look, benefit of the doubt to the attacking side
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I thought it was just Rovers fans who didn't understand the momentum rule  |
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Does anyone else think Whiting's dissallowed try would have been given without the video ref
would have been very hard for the ref to see him loosing the ball
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| Quote: Robbo4 "I thought it was just Rovers fans who didn't understand the momentum rule ![]()
I fully understand the momentum rule. Its all relative the bloke who passes the ball.
Hall was infront of Raynor when he passed it and was still infront of Raynor when it was caught. The inertia of forward motion will make most passes appear forward when looked at from overhead. Providing the passer propells the ball in a backwards direction and he is infront of teh received = no forward pass.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "I fully understand the momentum rule. Its all relative the bloke who passes the ball.
Hall was infront of Raynor when he passed it and was still infront of Raynor when it was caught. The inertia of forward motion will make most passes appear forward when looked at from overhead. Providing the passer propells the ball in a backwards direction and he is infront of teh received
True, but Hall could have been stopped dead in his tracks and been behind Raynor when he caught the ball and it still wouldn't have been a forward pass. The position of the passer relative to the catcher has nothing to do with it. As long as the forward momentum of the ball does not increase after it leaves the passers hands it is not a forward pass.
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