Fact is Fc Voices do not have members or a mandate from their members an Independant Supporters club does, because they have members and officials that should reflect the views of those members!! That is the point I think Standee was making!!

HISA were Independant, thats what the club didnt like, FC Voices is an idea by the club so they are never going to challenge the club like HISA did in the past.

Shane Richardson was a massive supporter of HISA and used to hold regualr meetings with the group, and i dont mean HISA wrote or called to him, he went to them. HISA were involved as a voice in the stadium, as well as other issues after the McAlpine incident. To compare HISA to FC Voices is unfair i think - two totally different groups created under two very different sets of circumstances. The reason HISA fell away is that people became complacent, the club was going places, people only want these groups around when there is a problem - so in essence its the fans faults for not renewing HISA memberships as to why they dont have a voice anymore

Well done,I'm glad you've had some success, but on a whole can you honestly say it's been worthwhile? As i said before, i've nothing against the members of FC voices i just feel it's a total waste of time as the people at the top of the club are seriously not bothered about upsetting their loyal supporters. They just trot out the party line.

I dont feel HISA do enough promotion though, if you went to the KC how many of the 12k or so home fans do you think know who they are, what they stand for and how to contact them?

I only know who they are because i come on here and know Hutchie runs it...aside from that i'd have had no idea. This clubs gained thousands of fans since 2002, yet i dont feel HISA has done anything to promote themselves to the new people.

I think you should ask the disabled supporters who now have disabled bays that question

I wish people could see behind the scenes really at FC Voices. I personally do get offended when people tell me "I'm deluded" and I'm doing it for personal gain, when people don't know me or why I joined voices. I am there to represent the disabled supporters. Trust me, and really, its nobodys business but my own, but I am not so good health wise right now and can do other things with my time on Saturday mornings and days of the week when I have been in to see James Rule about disabled matters, but I think its worth while. If X amount of supporters now have disabled bays because of the time and effort I have put in then its worth while.

I'm sick to death of trying to defend Voices but feel I have to because of some of the comments that are thrown around. There is no "hidden agenda" of the members of Voices, we don't do it for personal gain. If no body comes to us for advice/help etc then Voices will fold because its the fans we do it for. We get emails, voice mails and text messages week after week, so there are some people out there who think its worth their while to contact us. We bring to the clubs attention the things that matter to the fans and what the fans think or want. We have no influence on what the club will do about those matters, nor should we.

Getting back on the subject H.I.S.A my friends and family have been HISA members from day one,i have sent an email to fc.voices asking a lot of Questions.eg. when did it rap up as it rapped up where is the money gone,why do we not have meetings anymore.Last season my husband asked Hutchie about HISA and the reply was i am not chairman anymore,dont know how that happened with out a MEETING?. Also we later found that the vice chairman stated oh i gave that up a long time ago.It would have been nice for some one from fc,Voices to have replyed but there we are we are nobody just supports of the club a lot longer than i would say must on fc,voices where born?To say i am Pi$$&d off about all these fc.Voices,HISA.Cuddle Crew,and what ever is the trend this season is an understatement Pete please do not be offended my Email was sent before you became chairman.When Steve Roberts and Mike Wiles run it the club reconised them so why dont they know?They worked very hard with the club and got RESULTS.Sorry if you think i am going over the top but to be honest i dont give a t$$$

Sorry no one from Voice has go back to you but as I speak FC Voices has no idea or influence on the position of HISA, ie we know as much as you do You do realise FC Voices and HISA are two seperate groups?

The stuff on blackandwhites was posted as soon as it was sent.

Next season the FC Voices stuff will be a lot easier to find on the website.

Me and Karen are the youngest members at 36 years old so I don't know where you get that information from

They hqave one on blackandwhites but as you know it is down at present!

Hull White Star i Know they are two different things i was asking in my first email if any one could shed a light on HISA Did anyone know anything and as for telling me that you and Karen are 36 as proved my point 45 years and 49 years me and myhusband have supported the club.

You misundersand me, we are the YOUNGEST on the group, not wanting to offend anyone but the group is made up of more "mature" ages like yourselves

Well, as Hutchie hasn't deemed to reply we can assume HISA is dead in the water.

it is what we suspected