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| Quote: WIZEB "Unfortunately (and incredibly) Dobbo isn't far off.
In the cold light of day, the PG/SM dream team that a lot of posters were creaming theirselves over isn't working out as yet.
The only thing that has kept most of us hanging in since they took over was the signing of G. Ellis.
Structuarlly I don't see a major improvement in our play.
Flat in attack, dummy runnerless, and no fooker ever on the line-breakers shoulder.
We must be the worst team in SL for kicking on the last tackle, Seymour/Horne are forever rushed, and I'd wager, without looking at the stats, that we've had more last tackle chargedowns than any other team.
These are just the basics that we can't seem to do right, whoever's in charge.
I like PG, and as with Rich before, he'll get my support, but boy, he's probably realising now the full extent of what he's took on, and the massive, major overhaul that's required to get us anywhere near.'"
I think that, yes, in the short term perhaps we have taken a slight step backwards. Perhaps even compared to the start of the year.
However, compare our first choice 17 with our first choice 17 now, somewhat different isn't it?
IMO the coaching/management staff have seen an opportunity this season to acquire some players they want and offload some they don't. While that may be detrimental to us in the short term they've taken the long view which is exactly what this club needs.
Plus the above is coupled with an unfortunate spate of injuries.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "RLFans - the home of hyperbole and over reaction.'"
I couldn't agree more. There are some pathetic rants on here.
Hopefully wizeb and hullandbroncos have formed their own suicide pact.
We have a seriously depleted side, no settled halfback combination, young inexperienced players and in last night's team unfit and out of shape players in radders and Mcgoldrick yet people still expect miracles.
Beginning of season showed a lot of promise, it was there for all to see that our plays and structures had changed but with a lack of personnel and players leaving its been hard to maintain that momentum.
PG knows what he wants and is clearing the decks, we are currently a work in progress and I for one will not over react or judge on one season as some of the hysterical seem too.
This new set up needs and deserves our support right now, let's get behind this team and when Gentle has all the pieces of his jigsaw and if we still under perform at least we can make informed decisions.
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| Quote: Bet Lynch "Quote: Bet Lynch "You've still not said how the club's PR is worse than in recent years.'"
It is pointless even attempting to have a discussion/debate with you, your black & white glasses are way too strong, you continuously moan or mock posters who have anything negative to say about our club which makes you just as bad.I love my club and pay my money, if I or others want to raise concerns we have every right to do so. Plus you are one of the worst trolls on the KR board and have often posted links on their board when there club have claimed top 4 finishes etc, your a hypocrite!
Thats what i think you try say anything negative and you're classed as a troll or being wrong. Truth is were miles behind and will take major repair work getting anywere near
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Heremaia (as you accept) and Horne. Whilst Horne has been here for years, Gentle hasn't been, so he won't have been training to Gentle's methods as much as others with the time he's spent injured.
I agree with your general point that we should be better than we are even with the players missing, but I think you're painting the situation as overly simplistic and downplaying the mitigating circumstances out of anger.
I think of tonight's 17
I'm saying that we should have better structure and organisation no matter who is playing. Being disorganised on last tackle plays when you have your 1st choice half backs on the field is knack all to do with the injuries. Having no one backing up or making dummy runs is not because we have injuries
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| Quote: World of Redboy "i think Jake and Bet should become the new PR for Hull FC. It would be like listening to Leonard Cohen after a night on the vodka.'"
Cheers, would be a significant improvement I think you'll agree
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| Quote: WIZEB "Unfortunately (and incredibly) Dobbo isn't far off.
In the cold light of day, the PG/SM dream team that a lot of posters were creaming theirselves over isn't working out as yet.
The only thing that has kept most of us hanging in since they took over was the signing of G. Ellis.
Structuarlly I don't see a major improvement in our play.
Flat in attack, dummy runnerless, and no fooker ever on the line-breakers shoulder.
We must be the worst team in SL for kicking on the last tackle, Seymour/Horne are forever rushed, and I'd wager, without looking at the stats, that we've had more last tackle chargedowns than any other team.
These are just the basics that we can't seem to do right, whoever's in charge.
I like PG, and as with Rich before, he'll get my support, but boy, he's probably realising now the full extent of what he's took on, and the massive, major overhaul that's required to get us anywhere near.'"
Good post.
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| Quote: hullandbroncos "Thats what i think you try say anything negative and you're classed as a troll or being wrong. Truth is were miles behind and will take major repair work getting anywere near'"
I think most of us fans know that and we have an owner and coach who also know that and are trying to do something in order to address the balance. So to say you won't be renewing your pass based on this season is a ridiculous statement to make were if finances allow you can renew your pass support the regime and see how we go before jumping to conclusions like that.
If the old board were in place and Agar still coaching I would understand and support your claim but let's give the new team a go first eh.
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| Quote: Bombed Out "I couldn't agree more. There are some pathetic rants on here.
Hopefully wizeb and hullandbroncos have formed their own suicide pact.
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I'm far from being suicidal, in fact, I'm an eternal optimist.
Just frustrated that we can't even do the simple things correctly.
It shouldn't be difficult for a quick play the ball on the last and to make sure our kicker is deep enough to get the ball adequately downfield.
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| Can we change the thread name to 'massive overreaction' please? I never expected much from this season. We had 10 players out last night and under the circumstances did well not to get a 50 point hiding, which no doubt would have happened last year. Remain positive!
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| Quote: mikey471 "Can we change the thread name to 'massive overreaction' please? I never expected much from this season. We had 10 players out last night and under the circumstances did well not to get a 50 point hiding, which no doubt would have happened last year. Remain positive!'"
so you didn't watch the inept attacking performance last night?
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| Extremely poor game of RL.
Nearly 40 errors in the game which either resulted in a handover or pen.
We was guilty of 25 of them.
Turner and Horne guilty of 5 and 3 errors alternatively.
No attacking threat no kicking game no ideas.
What depressed me was we had Aspinwall, Watts, Westerman, McGoldrick in the same team.
I put up with the years of e under Agar because he was out of his depths, Gentle isn't he assisted one of the best coaches in the game in Tim Sheen's and was the Aussie assistant coach but we look a slow poor side.
Yes we have injuries but we always do, same different year
And to finish if Briscoe thinks he can play in the NRL he's having a laugh.
Anyway I'm off to slit my wrists.
But hey there is always next season.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I'm saying that we should have better structure and organisation no matter who is playing. Being disorganised on last tackle plays when you have your 1st choice half backs on the field is knack all to do with the injuries. Having no one backing up or making dummy runs is not because we have injuries'"
I'd pretty much agree with that. I would also say though that mostly it was much better earlier in the season, so something must have happened for an apparent laziness to kick in with several players. I suspect it comes back to some being told they're on their way and a lack of unity in the team, which will hopefully return next year with a squad who are wanted and want to be here, regardless of if they are world beaters or not.
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| Quote: Bet Lynch "It is pointless even attempting to have a discussion/debate with you, your black & white glasses are way too strong, you continuously moan or mock posters who have anything negative to say about our club which makes you just as bad.I love my club and pay my money, if I or others want to raise concerns we have every right to do so. Plus you are one of the worst trolls on the KR board and have often posted links on their board when there club have claimed top 4 finishes etc, your a hypocrite!
Im off for a lie down, my stalkometers just crashed as ive finally agreed with and found a relative post off you
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| Quote: Bet Lynch "Please elaborate with a few examples as I have not got a clue what you are talking about there.
I personally do not have expectations when you have been going as long as me you tend not to, in fact my pre-season predictions have been the same for the last 4/5 yrs top 4! more tongue in cheek than reality or more the fact I favour being optimistic rather than pessimistic.
Fans do have expectations and there is a link on this thread from only weeks ago claiming top 4, the fact that fans expectations of a decent finish or a decent run in are reflected in the gates and unless we make some very decent signings will be reflected next year also.
Personally I think AP is great for the club, however I hope he is getting the right advice re signings as so far barring G.Ellis they are very underwhelming and will not be a team who can compete for top 4 or a team who will bring back the fans, in fact I suspect it will lose some more imho.'"
I'm not going to trawl through your posting history for examples, I really don't care enough. You do have a habit of reading HDM and club website articles/statements and interpreting them with your own spin to go off about them, though. One I can remember recently was when you were adamant that McRae was contradicting himself for saying it was proving hard to find players because he'd also said agents were knocking down the door.
As for expectations, the club have to be positive about things and aim high, that doesn't mean they'll meet them. People should use their own common sense and judgment to decide of they think they're possible.
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