I respect the thoughts of those not wishing to renew - it is understandable -but as someone who will renew I don't consider myself a mug thanks. As for the bit in bold I take it you've never sung Old Faithful, or if you have you thought it was rubbish.

I assume you mean Thorman. A second row forward fends off a scrum half in defensive shocker!!! I'd check Yeamans role in the try as well.

Ultimately I love watching rugby league. I hate seeing Hull playing as they do but live in hope. Can't see me switching to red & white after 30+ years of black & white so will carry on with the pass and expectation that we will dare to change and keep admiring the likes of Saints, Leeds etc. and hope that we can learn from them. Stevo was giving Reece Lynne huge accolades last night, will we be a force of the future, or more wishful thinking?

The thing is when the same player waves his arms around for the fourth time in 40 minutes when attempting to make a tackle it grates a bit. As for Yeaman he regularly misses tackles or finds himself out of position so him doing so again was no surprise.

I've followed the team throgh thick and think for more than 30 years and seen much, much worse times and teams than this one. The difference now is that we're turning over more than we ever have, making more money than we ever have, seeing record attendances, record season pass and merchandise sales, spending more on the squad than we ever have and we're still failing.

If he hadn't kicked on the 3rd tackle in his own 20 with 30 seconds to go we'd never have been in the situation though would we?

I could have fended off that attempted tackle. It was woeful.

Why do players insist on a battle of upper body strength? If Thorman had tackled Ablett's legs we might not be having this conversation

He got fended off continually, his half hearted attempts are quite frankly pathetic and he should be nowhere near our team with that attitude.

Yeaman did miss a tackle, as he came accross Smith cut inside him, Thorman was just stood there and flapped an arm, Smith is not a backrower so what was his excuse that time.

Other players did miss tackles but they recovered from them and went on to have decent game, like Horne and Yeaman.

I see where you're coming from Paul. But Thorman was subbed at h/t and there was zero improvement in the second half.

Defensively we were poor all night. We still give to many penalties away as well - 2 on the 5th ffs!

The gamebreaker was the try on half time. We were playing catch up from then on and Leeds confidence will have been high.

True but the team did well in the first half, yet Thorman kept letting the side down. The try on HT killed us but the second half shows that we don't have a great deal of mental strength or resolve when the chips are down.

Still haven't made a decision yet, have had a pass since 96 and it would pain me to not renew. Ihad my doubts but renewed for this year on the basis of giving Agar ample time in the off season to sort the issues out (dire style of play etc), only for us to be in the same boat again drifting furher in the deep ocean that is meadiocracy (sp).