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| Quote: mdean "Thanks for not lampooning me, I got a bit of that on Monday when I suggested it should be a ban.
But don't think if the RFL don't uphold the precedent it is a conspiracy, it is much worse than that
totally agree. our game leads the way in so many ways for other sports and it is again leading the way in incompetent inconsistency with regards to these types of incidents
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| Quote: Kosh "Whether they were formally told or just 'given to understand' the end result is the same.
People constantly 'moving on' is why this has gone on for decades and will never be fixed...'"
Maybe they had a chat with the panel when they first arrived and after that decided on the best way to approach things?
The club seem content they have had a fair hearing, I don't understand why fans seem to know better.
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| Quote: mdean "I posted on this way back before the conspiracy theories started - I think every club thinks they are badly done to
If it was just Hull fans then it could be we are just being blinkered, however fans of several other clubs and indeed players from other clubs don't think it was a red card offence and no ban should have been given.
As for the second point; the studs up tackle is an illegal tackle in football so is justified as a red card. The shoulder charge tackle in rugby league is perfectly legal. Now when you consider the shoulder is pretty much a fixed point unlike the arm or elbow then surely every time you use your shoulder to tackle you are being reckless/careless because once you are commited you have no control about where it makes contact. If the player sees it coming and is able to avoid full contact so isn't knocked out does that make the tackle any less reckless/careless or is it now result based?
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| Quote: PAUL M "Maybe they had a chat with the panel when they first arrived and after that decided on the best way to approach things?
The club seem content they have had a fair hearing, I don't understand why fans seem to know better.'"
The club can't very well say anything else, can they? Fans aren't under the same restrictions and can compare Moa's treatment with identical incidents that have received different treatment and draw their own conclusions as to the fairness being demonstrated.
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| Game not on sky = knock on Rinaldi
I can understand the red card, but I don't agree with it, and I do not think a ban was required at all.
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| For me the challenge was acceptable. The punishment was out of proportion (No intent by Moa).
Does anyone know if Rinaldi was asked what he thought of it? Or does the RFL 'know best' and don't need to ask the player who was the 'victim'?
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| Quote: Robbo4 "As for the second point; the studs up tackle is an illegal tackle in football so is justified as a red card. The shoulder charge tackle in rugby league is perfectly legal. Now when you consider the shoulder is pretty much a fixed point unlike the arm or elbow then surely every time you use your shoulder to tackle you are being reckless/careless because once you are commited you have no control about where it makes contact. If the player sees it coming and is able to avoid full contact so isn't knocked out does that make the tackle any less reckless/careless or is it now result based?'"
A studs up challenge isn't an automatic sending off offence in it's own right. It is when careless/reckless or using excessive force is added to that challenge. I suppose if comparing that wording to rugby then I guess there could be an argument that Moa was perhaps reckless, but not really in my eyes. Rinaldi's body position/awareness sadly made that hit (although perfectly legal in most cases) dangerous given the end result. Harsh on Moa, but just the sending off sufficient for me.
Even going back to Makali Aizue's similar type of hit on Scott Wheeldon a few years ago - altho' impact was mainly centred around the chest, Scott still took a portion of Aizue's shoulder on the chin. We all raved about that at the time and similar hits now. I hate to think that we start to follow football's recent craze of red cards, based on potential intent rather than actual outcome.
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| Quote: Kosh "I'm responding to the discussion started by this posttold[/i what would happen, which is why I used the word 'if' in my response.'"
So the club believed he was guilty and tehre was no point denying it?
I don't believe for a second that the rfl have told Hull that moa was guilty before he turned up at a disciplinary hearing
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "So the club believed he was guilty and tehre was no point denying it?
I don't believe for a second that the rfl have told Hull that moa was guilty before he turned up at a disciplinary hearing'"
Me neither. Made up, unsubstantiated nonsense.
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| Quote: ☺East-Sard☺ "A studs up challenge isn't an automatic sending off offence in it's own right. It is when careless/reckless or using excessive force is added to that challenge. I suppose if comparing that wording to rugby then I guess there could be an argument that Moa was perhaps reckless, but not really in my eyes. Rinaldi's body position/awareness sadly made that hit (although perfectly legal in most cases) dangerous given the end result. Harsh on Moa, but just the sending off sufficient for me.
Even going back to Makali Aizue's similar type of hit on Scott Wheeldon a few years ago - altho' impact was mainly centred around the chest, Scott still took a portion of Aizue's shoulder on the chin. We all raved about that at the time and similar hits now. I hate to think that we start to follow football's recent craze of red cards, based on potential intent rather than actual outcome.'"
I didn't say studs up was an automatic red card I said its an illegal tackle so when it's also reckless it deserves a red card. The shoulder charge is a legal tackle but the precedent seems to now be set that if you make any contact with the head it must have been reckless. If that's the case then just ban the shoulder charge altogether and remove the doubt. I agree with the rest of your post.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "So the club believed he was guilty and tehre was no point denying it?
I don't believe for a second that the rfl have told Hull that moa was guilty before he turned up at a disciplinary hearing'"
I didn't say that it was before they turned up.
Through one mechanism or another it was made clear to the club that Moa would not be let off, and at that point the decision was made to plead guilty in order to minimise the ban.
Believe what you like.
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| Quote: Kosh "I didn't say that it was before they turned up.
Through one mechanism or another it was made clear to the club that Moa would not be let off, and at that point the decision was made to plead guilty in order to minimise the ban.
Believe what you like.'"
I could believe your made up version of events or I could continue to believe that the club came to their own conclusion that moa had contravened the rules in some way and were trying to mitigate the punishment.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I could believe your made up version of events or I could continue to believe that the club came to their own conclusion that moa had contravened the rules in some way and were trying to mitigate the punishment.'"
So the following from Hull FC's Head of Communications is all bollox then?
[ii understand they weren't going to let him off. Once this was clear, pleading guilty was obv to ensure just 1 game[/i
[imy understanding that guilty plea meant we wud be pretty much assured of a 1 game ban n nothing more. We compiled strong case tho[/i
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I could believe your made up version of events'"
And what makes you think I made it up?
Don't judge others by your own standards.
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