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Quote: bonaire "Why do fans think tinkering Tony should not shoulder any responsibility for this teams failings?
If he had come into the club and started with the first game i would understand he needed some time but he has had more than 3 months of pre season training with this squad to put a stamp on fitness,a structure for both attack and defence non of which we have seen during his time here.
His team selection today was borne out of desperation
An unfit Shaul was preferred to Litten.He must have known this was a gamble by naming Mitch on the bench
which i said yesterday when Ellam named the team would be to cover Shaul going off,Mitch to the wing and McIntosh to full back.
Mitch in any case should have started on the wing and would have bolsted the right edge defence which all season has leaked tries.
McIntosh was brought back on the wing when his confidence is shattered and i think he will be moved on
Then we have the debacle of Savelio dropped for performance related/ precautionary factors WTF is that all about.Its one or the other Tony
Then to play Evans instead of Brown thats tinkering Tonys final straw for me
Had high hopes for Smith here at Hull FC but he wont last the season.
Even if we have so many players off contract as a seasoned experienced coach he still should be able to get commitment and passion out of them because thats his job and he has failed big time.
Tuimavave as captain another error, and we are seeing now why leeds released Dwyer whos nickname has always been the headless chicken and Sutcliife who is bang average.
The main thing now is to get these players on the training pitch and improve their overall fitness and speed then move onto defence as a unit so we keep in matches and dont keep getting blown away.'"


Which coach?
Bonaire, Dave K or T Smith??....hmm let me think

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Quote: Rocknrolla69er "I think hes tried dropping a few and it hasnt worked.

Big meeting needed with Shenton to identify which youngsters can come in and perform to a higher standard than whats on show.

Surely some of Balmforth, Staveley, Gardiner, Laidlaw, Wakakoke, Jebforth can do a better job than some of the current players.

For me Rovers line speed in defense was another level to ours.
I thought our forwards actually worked well at the start , but the gains were undone by bad organisation the last. Has to hit Clifford everytime thought dywer had a mare in that respect.
As Smith has said we just dont have the players or unity to cope under adversity.

Crying out for some leaders as theres none willing to galvanise the current lot. Also lacking major game smarts amongst the players, we need to be identifying some players with good rugby IQ.

Id like to see Brown in for Evans.
Balmforth on the bench
Staveley given a chance at loose forward.'"


Maybe give Balmforth a run at six.Big lad with a bit of pace.Could use his strength to run at defences which we desperately need from half back.
Needs to up his fitness but surely cant be as ineffective as McNamara

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Quote: mwindass "We're "at budget" not at full cap'"


Hmm interesting, know that our 2020 squad was billed as our most expensive ever. Then Reynolds was allegedly our highest paid player ever from 2021.

But since then we've lost several big salary players like Fonua, Gale, Reynolds, Mau'u and Connor but have made several signings such as Sutcliffe, Trueman, Hoy, Clifford etc so it's hard to gauge how much the budget has dropped.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Obviously with abridged accounts it's difficult, but Hull have lost about £2.5m since 2011 (think this was when AP took over). We can argue that there have been many poor decisions and also some good ones over this time period, but we are where we are. If we are stuck with a squad of the current calibre because that's all we can afford I'd rather drop down a division tbh. We can't compete at SL currently.'"


Good post but you might think its a good idea to drop down a division and I would agree in principle with this crew making up the playing roster but in practise with our current costs of using the stadium and the facilities at the Uni, and our lease up for renewal (and in fact under consideration if we go down any way within the terms of our lease) plus a big reduction in Sky money and a massive debt to pay to the government (who aint interested in what competition we are playing in we still have to pay up) plus the fact that our owner hasn't got a bottomless pit of money, its pretty commonly known within the club that we would struggle to survive as a club at all where we relegated.

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Quote: fosdyke99 "luckily for us on friday,rovers are crap as well.could go either way.2 poor teams.'"


That was an accurate forecast then.

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Quote: Chris71 "And we are still paying for affects of Radfords tenure with ooor recruitment and old boys club much like Cas will.

Sadly Pearson had taken rugby advice from the wrong person starting with sacking Gentle then appointing Radford backing the wrong guy. If it hadn’t been for Motu and the players he brought in I doubt we’d have had any success as it was more the core group of leaders we had on the pitch rather than Rsdford that lead to the cup wins.'"


In defense of Radford he did make one or two decent signings like Ratu unlike Hodgson whos have all turned out to be poop.
Getting rid of Peter Gentle was a big mistake by Pearson

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Quote: Isaiah "I think that I understand the why?
We are to have a big clear out, but TS wants to give the players we have every possible chance to prove themselves. A Derby is a very good stage to try and get the best out of them.
It's going to be very difficult to get rid of 20 players and replace them all. It certainly is a transition year and you have to be sure that a new player available, is going to be an improvement.'"


He didnt have to wait until the Derby to see if any of them deserved a contract extension previous results and on field perfomances should have been enough.
Its not difficult to get rid of them as they are OOC at the end of the season.They just leave the club
What the club need to do is wheel and deal couple of players in order to ensure we stay in S/L.The rest can go at the end of the season
The problem we are going to have is attracting the players we need

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For me we’ve gone down hill since we tried to create club hull and tried to copy the Wigan method a few years ago . I’d also like to know who decides the contracts amd how much and how long , because it’s been amateurish for years compared to other clubs . This playing squad is so unbalanced and overpaid, surely someone should be held accountable , if it’s Clark how has he got this job from been gearing the crowd up before the game . Also I’d question Carlos has captain, last 2 weeks I’ve watched him now behind the sticks when we’ve conceded, just looks to the sky , seems to be griffin who does the talking . Anyway smith stays for me , can’t get rid of another coach before this bunch over paid so called players. How do some of them go home and look themselves and Their families in the eye and be happy with themselves .

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Quote: The Dentist Wilf "Good post but you might think its a good idea to drop down a division and I would agree in principle with this crew making up the playing roster but in practise with our current costs of using the stadium and the facilities at the Uni, and our lease up for renewal (and in fact under consideration if we go down any way within the terms of our lease) plus a big reduction in Sky money and a massive debt to pay to the government (who aint interested in what competition we are playing in we still have to pay up) plus the fact that our owner hasn't got a bottomless pit of money, its pretty commonly known within the club that we would struggle to survive as a club at all where we relegated.'"

Yeah I was thinking more of an administration/part time/Costello relocation scenario. I just think that's becoming more likely. As you say we've got big cost commitments and after paying for them can't afford a squad that can compete and time to address this is running out. Neither option is that compelling is it? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: bonaire "The problem we are going to have is attracting the players we need'"

Absolutely.

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Dan Tomlinson on the money again he'll be getting barred from the club soon. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... es-8334414
Dan Tomlinson on the money again he'll be getting barred from the club soon. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... es-8334414


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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "It was a gimme two points and crazy to turn it down with one play the ball to go.

Enjoy celebrating, Des. Hopefully more of a game at CP later in the year, I think you may have the Clive Sullivan Trophy wrapped up already though.'"

As we well know injuries can turn squads and games around,but this season we seem to have a pretty decent squad and confidence,whereas you seem to be in the position weve been in for years till now,when first choices get injured were struggling.to replace them..

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Quote: Windy winger "For me we’ve gone down hill since we tried to create club hull and tried to copy the Wigan method a few years ago . I’d also like to know who decides the contracts amd how much and how long , because it’s been amateurish for years compared to other clubs . This playing squad is so unbalanced and overpaid, surely someone should be held accountable , if it’s Clark how has he got this job from been gearing the crowd up before the game . Also I’d question Carlos has captain, last 2 weeks I’ve watched him now behind the sticks when we’ve conceded, just looks to the sky , seems to be griffin who does the talking . Anyway smith stays for me , can’t get rid of another coach before this bunch over paid so called players. How do some of them go home and look themselves and Their families in the eye and be happy with themselves .'"


We've definitely done a bad job on contracts and singings but who makes the decisions on signings at clubs (coach or directors/transfer panels) is a tough one to get right.

Tony Smith cited not having control as a reason for leaving Rovers so you presume he will be the decision maker for any new signings, in fairness to James Clark his role is then 'make sure you get the deal done' rather than checking if better options are out there.

Good example is Fonua's return, clearly Radford wanted him back so the club just completed the coaches request and got him back, when in hindsight we were thinking sentimentally and not actually checking his recent NRL form or fitness and if better options were out there. Had James Clark 'blocked' that transfer you'd imagine Radford would have been fuming.

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This season is over. Is it just a case of staying up and making massive changes? I would have thought there is a lot of talking and phone calls being made regarding players. Surely Litten Balmforth Staverly Gardiner Barron Etc deserve a chance. Not to throw them all in together but surely 2/3 in the 17

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Quote: Windy winger "For me we’ve gone down hill since we tried to create club hull and tried to copy the Wigan method a few years ago . I’d also like to know who decides the contracts amd how much and how long , because it’s been amateurish for years compared to other clubs . This playing squad is so unbalanced and overpaid, surely someone should be held accountable , if it’s Clark how has he got this job from been gearing the crowd up before the game . Also I’d question Carlos has captain, last 2 weeks I’ve watched him now behind the sticks when we’ve conceded, just looks to the sky , seems to be griffin who does the talking . Anyway smith stays for me , can’t get rid of another coach before this bunch over paid so called players. How do some of them go home and look themselves and Their families in the eye and be happy with themselves .'"


What is club hull? What’s involved in moving in that direction?

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