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| Quote: DSJ1983 "Everyone keeps saying about the Smith sacking as some kind of proof that there’s money but he literally had no choice at the time. Plus wasn’t he on an initial two year deal anyways so wouldn’t have been the biggest pay off, clubs in financial trouble have sacked coaches before it’s nothing new.
Asiata is a top player and an NRL winner, but for perspective he originally joined Leigh in the championship so I’m not sure that he’d have been that much of huge earner and we’ve given him the security of a 3 year deal at the age of 31. Aussies living over here temporarily crave that type of security. Also again for perspective, Sky had us down as spending 2.2 million or whatever on wages anyways this season (Pearson claims much higher) before any talk of investment. We’d still be signing players regardless, just likely with a much lower overall wage bill than most of the league.
With the coaching staff and physio maybe the club have just realised that cutting these corners has absolutely killed us and costing more money then being saved in the long run? Also who’s to say the club haven’t just decided to completely change tactic and are spending money they’d have spent on players and spending it on the coaching staff now?
FWIW I’d still take AP on his word that maybe some investment will be sorted at the end of the year. The left field appointment of Myler is and his obvious connections is the only indicator that somethings happening. Our transfer business up to now suggests we’ll still be way under the salary cap.'"
The cheap option would have been to replace Smith with Grix though, instead its known we went after Rowley and possibly Adrian Lam, and have ended up with an Australian. Ellis also returned which adds to the wage bill too.
Im as negative and conerned as a lot of people are but I dont think Pearson is daft enough to run it into the ground and hope IMG keep saving us. The main thing keeping us up on the IMG score are crowds, if people drift away we'd be in discussion for the chop (still dont think there are enough strong Championship applicants to replace many of the current SL teams though)
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| The reason Asista left the NRL and signed for a Championship club rather than SL club, was his refusal to have the covid jab.
Also Lam and Amone both signed for Leigh in the Championship.
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| Quote: Marcus's Bicycle "Drinkwater?'"
That's the one I've heard.
Hope it's only a rumour.
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| I'd rather us go with what we have than sign him. Imagine been promised a bit of class by Pearson and ending up with Drinkwater
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| Quote: Blackandwhitebigdog "I'd rather us go with what we have than sign him. Imagine been promised a bit of class by Pearson and ending up with Drinkwater'"
I'm not overjoyed with Cust, who IMO is better than Drinkwater, but to sign both would be a real kick in the knuts.
Dan's article is spot on and also depressing, think we have really messed up the halfback situation, did the club really think Lam was coming, we all new it wouldn't happen really should have had a plan B.
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| Quote: Dave K. "I'm not overjoyed with Cust, who IMO is better than Drinkwater, but to sign both would be a real kick in the knuts.
Dan's article is spot on and also depressing, think we have really messed up the halfback situation, did the club really think Lam was coming, we all new it wouldn't happen really should have had a plan B.'"
You'd have thought the club would've leaned from past scenarios ,Especially the half back situation .
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| Quote: B0NES "You'd have thought the club would've leaned from past scenarios ,Especially the half back situation .'"
Looks like our traditional winter sport is on again. Half back hunting.
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| Would seriously be offering Jackson Hastings to come over!
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| Quote: Dave K. "I'm not overjoyed with Cust, who IMO is better than Drinkwater, but to sign both would be a real kick in the knuts.
Dan's article is spot on and also depressing, think we have really messed up the halfback situation, did the club really think Lam was coming, we all new it wouldn't happen really should have had a plan B.'"
We really needed a boost after another horror season and reading that it's a massive letdown. No matter what way you look at it doesn't read well.
"Taking stock" after we missed out on one of if not the best HB in SL (which like you say was very unlikely to happen) doesn't sound very positive especially when there's an indication our next option could be a reserve with little NRL experience. I was expecting Asi or a player of similar experience and quality. Maybe I'm being to pessimistic.
Letting our marquee HB leave on the same day isn't particularly good timing whether it's a good decision or not. Like the departure of Connor no fee has been mentioned either.
I'm still prepared to give the the benefit of the doubt and wait and see if we do sign a couple of quality players but after reading that article I'm a bit deflated to say the least.
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| Quote: Dave K. "The reason Asista left the NRL and signed for a Championship club rather than SL club, was his refusal to have the covid jab.
Also Lam and Amone both signed for Leigh in the Championship.'"
It’s obvious he was way too good for the championship in his prime, but the point I’m making is that him joining Hull is not the indicator of a huge change in financial situation that some seem think it is. It’s a salary cap sport, players move around. We gave Trueman a huge deal in 23 and offered Clifford big money for 24 way before AP planted the ‘investment’ fairytale in our heads to take the heat off. Asiata joined because we offered him 3 years, Im sure the deal was on our radar and still would have been done under AP, Clark and Smith. As you’ve pointed out yourself and confirmed by everyone in the sport (hence the rule change) these May 1st deals all got done months way in advance.
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| Quote: Dave K. "I'm not overjoyed with Cust, who IMO is better than Drinkwater, but to sign both would be a real kick in the knuts.
Dan's article is spot on and also depressing, think we have really messed up the halfback situation, did the club really think Lam was coming, we all new it wouldn't happen really should have had a plan B.'"
It’d be tough to get deep in discussions with representatives of a player on the basis that they’re currently plan B. If, more realistically, it was a small handful of names on paper, they might just not have panned out.
Tbh, as a plan B under current circumstances, I don’t think Cust or Drinkwater are that bad. I agree Cust [iand[/i Drinkwater would be odd.
Abdull-Cust-Smith-Charles (Champ loan with recall option, if possible, for the last) isn’t bad for a recovery position year.
Although it might not help with season ticket sales, a lot the improvement will come from fitness and boring wrestle-in-the-ruck training sessions without a ball in sight. Recruitment can’t be as bad as last year, but a lot of the turnover is to wash away the bad taste and reset the culture as much as it is about adding quality.
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| Quite frankly embarrassing to know for months that Trueman is leaving and not even having a plan B while pursuing an ambitious and unrealistic option in Lam. We will go into next year with Cust and Abdul in the halves and it will be miserable.
It has been well documented how little quality there is in the half back market, evening been mentioned by Grix, so why are we letting the only half we have with a bit of quality go when there is seemingly nobody else available?
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| Quote: Mild Rover "It’d be tough to get deep in discussions with representatives of a player on the basis that they’re currently plan B. If, more realistically, it was a small handful of names on paper, they might just not have panned out.
Tbh, as a plan B under current circumstances, I don’t think Cust or Drinkwater are that bad. I agree Cust [iand[/i Drinkwater would be odd.
Quote: Mild Rover "Abdull-Cust-Smith-Charles (Champ loan with recall option, if possible, for the last) isn’t bad for a recovery position year.
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Although it might not help with season ticket sales, a lot the improvement will come from fitness and boring wrestle-in-the-ruck training sessions without a ball in sight. Recruitment can’t be as bad as last year, but a lot of the turnover is to wash away the bad taste and reset the culture as much as it is about adding quality.'"
Not when you excite the fans after making a massive offer for Lam
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| Quote: Marcus's Bicycle "We really needed a boost after another horror season and reading that it's a massive letdown. No matter what way you look at it doesn't read well.
"Taking stock" after we missed out on one of if not the best HB in SL (which like you say was very unlikely to happen) doesn't sound very positive especially when there's an indication our next option could be a reserve with little NRL experience. I was expecting Asi or a player of similar experience and quality. Maybe I'm being to pessimistic.
Letting our marquee HB leave on the same day isn't particularly good timing whether it's a good decision or not. Like the departure of Connor no fee has been mentioned either.
I'm still prepared to give the the benefit of the doubt and wait and see if we do sign a couple of quality players but after reading that article I'm a bit deflated to say the least.'"
The ‘taking stock of options’ comments to the media just smacks to me of making an offer for Asi and yet again falling short. I’d expect someone like Leeds, Cas, Wire or Catalans to announce the signing very soon.
A good reserve grader isn’t the end of the world, it’s a big risk though in context of the clubs future IMO. They have to get it right.
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| Quote: DSJ1983 "The ‘taking stock of options’ comments to the media just smacks to me of making an offer for Asi and yet again falling short. I’d expect someone like Leeds, Cas, Wire or Catalans to announce the signing very soon.
A good reserve grader isn’t the end of the world, it’s a big risk though in context of the clubs future IMO. They have to get it right.'"
It depends on who you define as a good reserve grader. Although different positions we signed and was strongly linked with the two PNG players neither of whom played made a single NRL match. Is that really the level we are looking at for such a key position.
We made Lam a massive offer. That kind of money should be enough to lure a player of similar quality from the NRL even if we are not the most attractive proposition at the moment.
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