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| Quote: The Dentist Wilf "Interesting posts but I have to say that Loyalty is never in doubt!!!
what's more Mrs B gets it as well, for there is little doubt that many on here will always support their club and be there whatever. Some of us with 60 odd years of pass holding behind us never stop loving the club and that's something that we will take to our grave with us.'"
Just before Christmas my brother in law died in his early 80's. He lived in Hull for all his life and was an FC fan from an early age. He was a pass holder for over 60 years and went to away games until a few months ago. He just loved the club and made many friends in supporting the club
My sister arranged his funeral including the live internet transmission of the service which I viewed at midnight here. The casket at his request was wrapped in 'Old Faithful' regalia with his Hull scarf and the old match shirt which he wore for years.
I asked him once about his affection for the club and he answered that following Hull had given him so many wonderful memories for which he would forever be thankful and grateful and that he would continue to support them through thick and thin till he couldn't any more.
I know there are many Hull FC fans today just like him!
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| Quote: EtonStreetRifle "You miss my point Mrs Barista which I probably didn't convey very eloquently. I got a bit Brave heart by the time I'd finished typing!) . I'm doing my fair share of being a spoilt whinger myself. My point is that it won't get us anywhere and we would be better off focusing our frustration on being the loyal, passionate, vocal group of supporters that we know we are...thereby responsibility as supporters achieved and over to you Messrs Pearson and Smith.'"
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| Quote: EtonStreetRifle "I post on here infrequently but have visited daily for a number of years. I respect both your points of view (Mrs B and Wilf) and don't doubt your passion for our great club. I agree that this is just about the worst hole we've been in and feel as hopeless as you do but unlike the pass holders you mention, I think that now is exactly the time not to vote with your feet but is the time to get there and get behind the badge. Being recognised as and recognising ourselves as being great supporters may well be all we have left. For instance, by doing this at Caravan Park next week it will at least prevent us from enduring the "we can see you sneaking out diatribe from the scum! We can't outplay them so let's out sing them!'"
Let’s out sing them, Jesus Christ
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| I think the biggest problem with fans getting behind the club (which is a great sentiment by the way) is that the fanbase is so divided at the moment. I'm not just talking about the "happy clappers" and the "doom mongers" but fans just seem to be split about everything at the moment. You just have to look on here and on social media to see that there's a real lack of unity about what is going on and what can be done. You have some blaming Smith and the coaches with calls to bring Radders back, some blaming the players and saying to sack the lot of them, some blaming James Clark and saying he should be sacked too, others blaming Adam Pearson and saying he needs to sell up, also those blaming the fans saying we're not been supportive enough.
Now of course everyone has got an opinion and are entitled to it but I think the fact that there are so many different opinions and fans pulling in so many different directions at the moment really does make the idea of everyone uniting behind the common cause something of a pipe dream. I do also think that the club itself has caused this division not just in the results and performances on the pitch but also in the lack of engagement with the fans. It feels like there is a huge disconnect between both sides with only Smith speaking out with what is increasingly sounding like empty platitudes and one player each week bigging up the work done in training ahead of the next incoming defeat. We rarely hear from Clark and Pearson and that's usually only to sell us something.
What we really need is for some transparency. For Pearson to ideally tell us exactly what the situation is, what our aims are, how we are going about achieving those and how long they think it will take to do that. Just lay it out to the fanbase with honesty and frankness. Yes, there'll always be those that don't like what they hear but if the club actually attempts to engage with us, maybe it will pull the majority together again.
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| Quote: Cuddleclub "Let’s out sing them, Jesus Christ
I know, this is how bad it has become. But at least we'd be sticking together as a support base and fulfilling our stakeholder responsibilities. Better than sitting there like corpses I would have thought?
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| Even if Smith left,we would be left with Grix and Cummins (Stan would have to go back to hanging around Caravan park).If someone is needed to kick them up the backsides,then why would people think about Brian McDermott? Not my cup of tea ideally,but someone prepared to come in and shake people around is definitely needed
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| Quote: EtonStreetRifle "I know, this is how bad it has become. But at least we'd be sticking together as a support base and fulfilling our stakeholder responsibilities. Better than sitting there like corpses I would have thought?'"
I think the poster above has summed it up perfectly. The club and fans are so far apart at the minute, and the performances aren’t making us want to get behind them as it’s just heavy defeat after heavy defeat. I know pass holders who’ve paid for their tickets and aren’t even going.
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| Quote: jimmyfivebellies "Even if Smith left,we would be left with Grix and Cummins (Stan would have to go back to hanging around Caravan park).If someone is needed to kick them up the backsides,then why would people think about Brian McDermott? Not my cup of tea ideally,but someone prepared to come in and shake people around is definitely needed'"
I don't think McDermott would be ideal but he's the sort of character we need, someone who won't take any sh#t and is a fiery character, Wane would be the ideal choice but there's no chance of that happening.
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| Quote: EtonStreetRifle "You miss my point Mrs Barista which I probably didn't convey very eloquently. I got a bit Brave heart by the time I'd finished typing!) . I'm doing my fair share of being a spoilt whinger myself. My point is that it won't get us anywhere and we would be better off focusing our frustration on being the loyal, passionate, vocal group of supporters that we know we are...thereby responsibility as supporters achieved and over to you Messrs Pearson and Smith.'"
It's always a tricky one for supporters when their club is in a situation such as the one we find ourselves in right now. How do fans register their unhappiness and concerns with what's happening without harming the club any further.
We could all refuse to attend until we see concrete changes being made, but the end result of that (over a prolonged period) would most likely see the club fold which I doubt any of us want?
On the other hand, if attendances remained high without a single dissenting voice (even though the team continued to get battered week on week) then the club hierarchy would probably take the view that all is well and they retain full support for their actions (which is what they most likely would tell themselves in that instance).
Like I say, it's a conundrum, how do you make a protest at a situation without making that situation even worse! This is the rock and hard place we find ourselves in right now.
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| Quote: the cal train "Smith, Gene, Pearson, Clarke (what does actually do, given Pearson wields absolute power?) can all clear off for me. We might not have a club in a couple of years without them, won’t have one with them either.
Get rid of that matchday DJ too before they make him CFO.'"
I agree on the DJ hes changed the walk on music to Send in tthe clowns.
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| Quote: BP1 "It's always a tricky one for supporters when their club is in a situation such as the one we find ourselves in right now. How do fans register their unhappiness and concerns with what's happening without harming the club any further.
We could all refuse to attend until we see concrete changes being made, but the end result of that (over a prolonged period) would most likely see the club fold which I doubt any of us want?
On the other hand, if attendances remained high without a single dissenting voice (even though the team continued to get battered week on week) then the club hierarchy would probably take the view that all is well and they retain full support for their actions (which is what they most likely would tell themselves in that instance).
Like I say, it's a conundrum, how do you make a protest at a situation without making that situation even worse! This is the rock and hard place we find ourselves in right now.'"
Fair points. Looking at this and the point about the fans being divided, I don’t think Hull fans are clear what they should be protesting about. There’s nothing much to rally to or against.
Pearson saved the club from going bust, oversaw the winning of the cup twice and pretty much had to take that COVID loan. Despite your frustrations, I think you all know that even when he’s made mistakes he’s meant well. It’s hard to get a rage on against that. Clark is just admin and implementation.
Smith… I’d agree he’s under delivering but he is constrained by resources. A shouty coach might make you feel better briefly but it doesn’t really address the underlying issue.
The squad isn’t very good, but banners and slogans won’t make them better.
You kind of need a galvanising event or intervention, even if it isn’t something nice. As sickening as those last couple of minutes in the 2016 MPG were for Rovers fans, it at least showed clearly what the path needed to be - as rocky as it was going to be, and that was better than the drift that preceded it.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Fair points. Looking at this and the point about the fans being divided, I don’t think Hull fans are clear what they should be protesting about. There’s nothing much to rally to or against.
Pearson saved the club from going bust, oversaw the winning of the cup twice and pretty much had to take that COVID loan. Despite your frustrations, I think you all know that even when he’s made mistakes he’s meant well. It’s hard to get a rage on against that. Clark is just admin and implementation.Fair post mate
Smith… I’d agree he’s under delivering but he is constrained by resources. A shouty coach might make you feel better briefly but it doesn’t really address the underlying issue.
The squad isn’t very good, but banners and slogans won’t make them better.
You kind of need a galvanising event or intervention, even if it isn’t something nice. As sickening as those last couple of minutes in the 2016 MPG were for Rovers fans, it at least showed clearly what the path needed to be - as rocky as it was going to be, and that was better than the drift that preceded it.'"
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| Quote: The Dentist Wilf "https
This is very nail on the head stuff. Don't think you'll find many fans, if any, that disagree.
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| Quote: Yippee try yay "I don't think McDermott would be ideal but he's the sort of character we need, someone who won't take any sh#t and is a fiery character, Wane would be the ideal choice but there's no chance of that happening.'"
I doubt there is a coach in the top three divisions of R/L who could have done a worse job than Tony Smith since he arrived.Smith has done nothing apart from make us the most undisciplined team in S/L
He has pulled the wool over the eyes of Pearson.
Is it difficult to get a team superbly fit NO
Is it difficult to work and work on defence and create a team thats difficult to beat NO
Is it difficult to elimate/vastly reduce on field indiscipline and unforced errors NO other teams do it
A disciplinarian coach like McDermott has its merits especially in our situation but i dont think these players are are bad as they are making themselves out to be on the field.They are showing a lazy cant be bothered attitude and thats down to the coach.
Its all about Smiths lack of abilty or desire to instill respect for the club,discipline and work ethic desire into the players.
This squad would never be a top four side but could be far better with a coach who is not full of himself from his past achievements and who has failed miserably in the job he was hired to do.
This country seems to reward failure.
I think we can all understand the embarrassment Pearson must be feeling with yet another failed appointment but Smith has to go.
If you cant afford to pay him off Adam then create a situation where he has to resign.
leave Grix till the end of the season with the mandate to get the team ultra fit,work and work on defence which will add confidence to the team then create an attacking structure.
Thats for this season
What comes next Adam is up to you
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