Please elaborate with a few examples as I have not got a clue what you are talking about there.

I personally do not have expectations when you have been going as long as me you tend not to, in fact my pre-season predictions have been the same for the last 4/5 yrs top 4! more tongue in cheek than reality or more the fact I favour being optimistic rather than pessimistic.
Fans do have expectations and there is a link on this thread from only weeks ago claiming top 4, the fact that fans expectations of a decent finish or a decent run in are reflected in the gates and unless we make some very decent signings will be reflected next year also.
Personally I think AP is great for the club, however I hope he is getting the right advice re signings as so far barring G.Ellis they are very underwhelming and will not be a team who can compete for top 4 or a team who will bring back the fans, in fact I suspect it will lose some more imho.

They do, to insist it's referees who decide games is stupid beyond belief.

There are some major problems with the way the game's officials operate and that can be laid squarely at Stuart Cummings feet. We have publically available league tables and stats for teams and individual players but know nothing about the officials, other than the brief biographies of the RFL website.

We have full-time referees and it appears that further development is deemed unnecessary. After every game, the officials should be compelled to watch the video and then offer a self-appraisal, they should also watch the videos of their colleagues' games and appraise them similarly. Then once a week, they should meet to discuss their relative performances. This should assist in pinpointing areas that need to be worked on includings[/ie. But at the end of the day, we simply weren't good enough to beat what was a far from good Leeds team. That's why we lost.

Unfortunately (and incredibly) Dobbo isn't far off.
In the cold light of day, the PG/SM dream team that a lot of posters were creaming theirselves over isn't working out as yet.
The only thing that has kept most of us hanging in since they took over was the signing of G. Ellis.

Structuarlly I don't see a major improvement in our play.
Flat in attack, dummy runnerless, and no fooker ever on the line-breakers shoulder.
We must be the worst team in SL for kicking on the last tackle, Seymour/Horne are forever rushed, and I'd wager, without looking at the stats, that we've had more last tackle chargedowns than any other team.
These are just the basics that we can't seem to do right, whoever's in charge.

I like PG, and as with Rich before, he'll get my support, but boy, he's probably realising now the full extent of what he's took on, and the massive, major overhaul that's required to get us anywhere near.

You've still not said how the club's PR is worse than in recent years.

For the 1st time in 15 season i wont be a pass holder next season, not a knee- jerk reaction but just fed up of watching same old rubbish and i do think AP and PG are great for the club but the job they got in turning the club around is massive and dont see us improving much next season unless the signings are top class .

RLFans - the home of hyperbole and over reaction.

It is pointless even attempting to have a discussion/debate with you, your black & white glasses are way too strong, you continuously moan or mock posters who have anything negative to say about our club which makes you just as bad.I love my club and pay my money, if I or others want to raise concerns we have every right to do so. Plus you are one of the worst trolls on the KR board and have often posted links on their board when there club have claimed top 4 finishes etc, your a hypocrite!

I think that, yes, in the short term perhaps we have taken a slight step backwards. Perhaps even compared to the start of the year.

However, compare our first choice 17 with our first choice 17 now, somewhat different isn't it?
IMO the coaching/management staff have seen an opportunity this season to acquire some players they want and offload some they don't. While that may be detrimental to us in the short term they've taken the long view which is exactly what this club needs.
Plus the above is coupled with an unfortunate spate of injuries.

I couldn't agree more. There are some pathetic rants on here.
Hopefully wizeb and hullandbroncos have formed their own suicide pact.
We have a seriously depleted side, no settled halfback combination, young inexperienced players and in last night's team unfit and out of shape players in radders and Mcgoldrick yet people still expect miracles.
Beginning of season showed a lot of promise, it was there for all to see that our plays and structures had changed but with a lack of personnel and players leaving its been hard to maintain that momentum.
PG knows what he wants and is clearing the decks, we are currently a work in progress and I for one will not over react or judge on one season as some of the hysterical seem too.
This new set up needs and deserves our support right now, let's get behind this team and when Gentle has all the pieces of his jigsaw and if we still under perform at least we can make informed decisions.

Cheers, would be a significant improvement I think you'll agree

Good post.

I think most of us fans know that and we have an owner and coach who also know that and are trying to do something in order to address the balance. So to say you won't be renewing your pass based on this season is a ridiculous statement to make were if finances allow you can renew your pass support the regime and see how we go before jumping to conclusions like that.
If the old board were in place and Agar still coaching I would understand and support your claim but let's give the new team a go first eh.

I'm far from being suicidal, in fact, I'm an eternal optimist.
Just frustrated that we can't even do the simple things correctly.
It shouldn't be difficult for a quick play the ball on the last and to make sure our kicker is deep enough to get the ball adequately downfield.