Definitely a silver.



A doctor of psychiatry would have a field day.



He owns a pink waistcoat with yellow dots.



Aren't we all? Although some of our anger is dulled with a heavy dose of realism.



See above.



When Peter Gentle managed that feat for two consecutive seasons Bumpy hailed him as the new messiah.



He wittered on for the last two seasons that Ellis wasn't worth his spot and wasn't value for money. Madness to the majority of us, I'd hazard a guess at.



The wheel will keep turning.

Ditto.
If it wasn't for the Bumpster tieing himself up in knots, and the Mrs Barista/Mild Rover tennis matches, then this place would be considerably bleaker.

If you go into a game with a back 3 of Washbrook,Lane and Fash and cannot for the first 20 mins get out of your own half,you cannot expect to beat the team at the top away from home.We have lost some big players in the forwards in the last 2 seasons and not replaced them.I am not convinced the crop of youngsters we hear about all the time are as good as what they are made out to be,only time will tell,however I do not think we are strong enough this season to trouble the top 4.As for a hatrick of Wembley wins we will need a lot of luck in the draw.We are also copping injury after injury,no ones fault but without our best 17 being available we will continue to struggle

From a forwards perspective we've lost Ellis and brought in/back Paea and Hadley, plus will have expected more than last year from the likes of Fash and Masi, so in the round that's not unreasonable squad management IMO. I don't believe any club has acquired a forward of Ellis' stature recently, he simply can't be replaced like for like in the current market. The big damage is losing Watts unexpectedly mid season; arguably a long vs short term decision but even for next year I just can't see a player of his quality to become available and in the short term this has been compounded with injuries to Hadley, Houghton, Sika, Minichiello and Fash, plus Bowden playing jabbed up. On reflection to go away to the champions-elect who've only lost one game and keep it respectable, with Faraimo also missing and losing Talanoa during the game, was not a disastrous outcome.

In isolation the loss isn't a disaster but when added into the previous 9 games it's a worrying continuation on a trend. When was the last time you watched us and thought we'd played to our best for the full 80 minutes? Probably the semi final at donny last year for me.

Way too many games where we make too many errors, lose concentration (don't get me started on kick offs after we've scored), miss too many tackles, give away too many penalties or fail to turn pressure into points.

I do think we've missed a golden opportunity in 2016 and 2017 where most of the other "big" clubs weren't at their best to really write the current squad into the history books. We could have won the double in both seasons IMO as we had the best squad in the comp for those 2 years

Need a comfortable win at Widnes to settle nerves.

Sadly I see another struggle 'a la Salford' - our attack is pedestrian & unimaginative. Fonua a huge loss as well as Ellis & Watts. Too reliant on individuals breaking line.

Can't see a top 4 spot after 23 games, especially given current crop of injuries.

Radders not the Dadders certain people make out? I dont think so. Hes a good coach who will go down as a great because of the Wembley double but imo hes taken this and HIS team as far as he can bit like Tony Smith did with Wire. Too many bad things have never changed in his tenure and i see a slow decline from us now

I agree and you've kind of backed up what knocker was saying . Radford deserved every chance to put a gf challenging team together , but I think every single person this forum would agree , he needs some help , i.e. Attacking coach , it's been plane for everyone to see for seasons now , same attacking problems no matter how good a squad we have

Plus if you take out Kelly from the attack we have nothing and thats even more concerning

... although only wigan and saints have scored more tries than us.

In fairness this tends to be your default mindset. Didn't you say a couple of years ago that Pearson was killing the club and things would get worse?

Fair enough, although cas would need to score 19 tries and leeds 7 to catch us up today.

Another boring stat - I reckon our starting 17 have missed 38 games this season, that averages nearly 4 per game.

Cas 3 games in hand Leeds 2 , I'm not convinced our attack is the 3rd best in the league, especially when you look at who most of our try's was against