worse than hutch or long and gleeson?? theve got to take some beating

Your maybe right about Ellis and he might turn out to be a decent SL halfback, however if Horne is fit there is no way Ellis will and should be in front of him.

At Wigan, Richards, Carmont, Finch, Tommy L, Lima and Fielden will be on very good money.

as i said other than there imoports...... fielden is one i forgot about....probably most wigan fans have also....

Maybe, however Hutch was a project that didn't work, while Lauaki was a NRL regular and came with a good reputation.

Long and Gleeson were disappointments, but when they played they looked good and improved us, laukai didn't perform for Hull at all.

cant argue with taht, other than that game against sts in the fog he was little short of turd in every game for fc..... complete liability

The main thing for me wrt Turner & Whiting is the age difference, whilst not being huge (c. 4 yrs), it nevertheless gives Turner more time to improve, whereas I think Whiting is as good as he's going to get - which is as a utility player. Turner also has utility value in that he can play centre and second row, as well as stand off (although I'd rather he didn't). He has improved massively this season under a better coach and with confidence and the fact that Saints fans would be pleased with his signing indicates just what a loss he would be. I would rather us keep both Turner & Whiting, but would, if we are to lose one, prefer to keep Jordan Turner.

FWIW, I also hear that we have been reported to the RFL under anti-tampering regulations in relation to Joe Arundel, so if we have, you'd expect similar consequences for other teams who have/may have approached out of contract players (Manu/Turner).

I really don't see how you can reconcile this comment with your stance of not seeing Whiting as a priority retention. He is proving to be a very good backrower, has already proven to be of good SL standard at centre, wing, and fullback, has now covered prop as well, and can also do a job in the halves or at hooker in an emergency. Added to this he is also English so does not affect either of our overseas quotas, and still comfortably in his 20s.

Can you name 3 other players that satisfy all of the above conditions, and furthermore do you think they will likely earn more or less than Richard Whiting?

Id give Whiting a three year deal personally. He's one of the biggest priorities we have to get signed up

If Hull didn't retain Whiting, I would not be happy. He is one smart player, no-one else would be able to fill his boots. Get his signature for the next 3 years at least.

For me, Whiting is one of SL's most underrated players.

In every game he seems to make a vital play at a vital time, an intercept, a big hit, an offload - and that must be a huge boost to his team mates and can in itself change the momentum in games.

The way he's slotted into the 2nd row so easily and quickly is testament to how good a Rugby League player he is.

I've been a huge fan of Whiting since day one. Players like him are few and far between. We'd be crackers not to offer him a deal.

I don't rate him that highly, myself...

Unless I have missed it further back not sure this link has been posted from BBC "Hull FC looking to reward Jordan Turner" -

rlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/17829203rl