You said penalties could be given nearly every tackle, that's the rubbish bit.

To answer your question yes I have, but all teams could say that, this doesn't excuse our poor discipline this year.

Taking into account offside, not square, not playing the ball correctly, not playing the ball at the mark, delaying the play the ball, plus the tackle process itself, I reckon most times one of those offences will be committed - and the ref decides whether to bother or not.

So, in a sense, you're right, every penalty we've conceded was almost certainly a correct decision.

If you say so, we aren't going to agree, despite the facts ou discipline is fine, might as well lock this thread.

Stats don't lie.
If you're going to stick your head in the sand and suggest its the refs fault, its not going to improve is it.
There is a problem with discipline at Hull, I dunno how anyone could say there isn't, but I suppose it depends how you define a "problem", it doesn't seem to be hurting them too much.
Taking Leigh out of the equation Hull are doing roughly one extra penalty a game than everybody else, so its not ridiculous, just high comparatively.
Look at Catalans, complete penalty dingbats for as long as I can remember, this season bottom of the stats but it hasn't helped them any.
That card count say's a lot more about the team priorities than any faffing about at tpob, sorting that out will have more of an impact than a few extra conceded penalties over the season.

Stats can be interpreted to back up many arguments, but I honestly don't believe that these particular stats show that we have discipline issues.
Look at Catalans, they are now 6th in the penalty count, not bottom as you were arguing yesterday. And our stats aren't as "bad" now compared to other teams, now that the figures have been updated.

Manu charged with Grade C.

Grade C Dangerous Contact. EGP not available so if found guilty he'll miss 2-3 games which would be Widnes, Catalans (Cup) and possibly Saints at the Magic Weekend.

Would the tonga game count as well as Widnes?

One moment of ill discipline has cost him the chance to captain his country

I would doubt that he can count two games on the same weekend taking places on two different continents.

Like your style. Worth asking

They are two different games though. IF the situation was different and it was a one game ban, surely there would be an argument to say he misses the Saturday game but can play the Sunday game. I don't see why them being on one weekend matters, the easter weekend games count as two.

best of luck with that then



I'm not arguing I'm trying without being a to point out the blatantly obvious, Hull still have 8 cards, they are still top of the penalty count bar Leigh, Wire are 4th from bottom with a p count of 89.
Catalans, Shudds, Saints, Wire, it hardly matters, they all have superior penalty counts despite being at the bottom end of the table, my point was and is still valid, nothing has changed, but then you knew that before you posted.
I can see why Leigh could concede the penalties they have and cop the cards they have, 1st season in SL, they're struggling somewhat to compete at times on varying levels, there'll be a fair bit of frustration rolled in to that, What's Hulls excuse, why would a top of the table club have a similar penalty count of a bottom of the table club.
I'm not drawing anymore pictures, that's it.

Don't think anyone can argue with 2/3 matchs, luckily he didn't injure Atkins as it would have been a lot more.

Hull's penalty count is currently 0.7 penalties per game higher than the average. Hardly earth shattering.

Not much worse than Wakefield, for example, who also have a higher than average penalty count.