What do I disagree with?

Your claim of me not reading posts for a kick off. The pointless ramble about razing west park, when I'd not mentioned it. The 1000's of years of history of the fair at Walton Street. Walton Street being central, and a place already exists for the "market" you laughably describe the trading standards exercise yard as. Your claim some grass and trees would sort out the area around west park.

I didn't ignore the bit of your post that talked of the area around the stadium. It agreed with what I'd put!

All you seem to do is to counter anything anyone has posted which doesn't toe the allam party line. What do you think should be happening here?

My understanding of the reported "facts" (And as far as I know there is no documentary evidence to prove these are wrong) are:

allam met the council and proposed they gifted him the KC and surrounding area so that he could develop a sports and retail village

The council declined but instead offered him a (less prime?) site further out from the city centre, which he declined to accept

allam then effectively took his bat home and said he would no longer deal with the council

The council have said that the door is still open for further negotiation if he wants to come back

Now I may be wrong with some of that and if I am please let me know.

So we're left with a business man who wants a prime piece of land for nothing, to include a public park and the council's £40m sports stadium so he can build a mix of leisure and retail development at a cost of circa £100m

My first concern would be the availability of funding for such a development and the second would be the ability to generate enough revenue to service such a sizeable debt. The city already has significant retail space standing empty. If all that would happen would be duplication of what is already in hull then the build would be pointless and wouldn't generate further wealth in the area.

If allam can get some guarantee of a flagship store as an anchor tenant then it would certainly be worth consideration. If he can't, then why should the council be the ones to make all the running.

IMO, the council's inward investment team know that all allam wants is something to show for the £40m+ he's forked out on city and that he believes the local authority are the ones who should give him it. They also know that he hasn't got anything which even approximates a definitive plan for the site and that the chances of a successful development are somewhere close to nil.

If there is an opportunity to develop the site then surely this should go out to some kind of bidding process anyway and allam would be entitled to be involved in this along with anyone else

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Why hold a referendum, the elected councillors have made a decision from a position of far greater knowledge than the man on the street. Referendums are a pure cop out by the politicians.

If the public of Hull vote to back Allam will that make his lack of plans any more substantial??

This is a similar issue to the vote on the EU, asking the general public (a high % of which aren't the brightest) to cast a vote on something they either don't understand, or that their understanding comes from a great source like the Sun, is ludicrous.

All referendums are decided by which way the media decides it wants them to go rather than the decision which is for the good of the public.

Agree with the points you make. Also how much is the referendum going to cost the people of Hull?

Probably a fortune, this may also be a ploy to try and get more people to turn up and vote at the local elections.

Absolutely spot on. Referenda are a colossal waste of time and money, and actually detrimental to democracy.

I wonder how this bit:

[iEarlier this week, [ua full meeting of the council[/u backed a motion effectively spelling out the authority's position over the stadium.

The motion said the council was not prepared to sell the freehold interest in either the stadium or the Walton Street fairground site to Hull City owner Assem Allam without a "robust" offer and business case being put forward.[/i

Sits with Uncle Harry's assertion that the whole thing was decided by Councillor Gerraghty?

Yeah i liked that bit too. Bet Uncle Harry now does a vanishing act

I somehow doubt it. He's become something of an expert in answering questions that were never asked, while avoiding those that have been asked of him. Over the last week or so, I've sometimes felt I've been living in a parallel universe

or the House of Commons!