how is it a great effort when you're 12-8 up, the opposition have just had a man sent off yet you lose with constant indiscipline and mistakes?

From what i heard he was caught ball watching again and got dragged in

Listening to Rule now, we're stuck with him for the duration.

It baffles me that people want to exonerate Agar for that defeat as if indiscipline and poor decision making are factors entirely out of the Head Coach's control. Throwing away a lead against 12 men is unforgivable regardless of who you are playing.

First try they said he was. But second they also said he was ball watching but even so its a constant feature of out team that side of the defence is allways isolated and gets overlapped to easiley.

For god's sake you can't blame Agar for everything.

Don't the players have any responsibility?

By extension of the logic of some on here, nobody should ever get a driving conviction apart from driving instructors. If you take your car at 120mph down the Clive Sullivan Way, it's not your fault. Sack the driving instructor, it's all his fault...

Totally agree.

Your suggestion seemed to be the coach is responsible for teaching the players to make the right descisions and therefore it was Agar's fault that we lost. So I was merely asking if Wigan had lost would that not of been McGuires fault because Tomkins got sent off?

I want rid of Agar but not sure you can blame him for this defeat , sounded a lot better effort just a bit worrying that no Ogre in 2nd half

Sorry did you expect the current SL champions to just roll over and die at home when Joel was sent off?

Credit where credit is due.

It would be if he was sat in the back seat allowing you to play stupid games

Quite right, because comparing a driving instructor to a professional RL head coach is a pefectly valid and worthwhile thing to do.

And needless to say it's just a complete coincidence that the discipline and decision-making of teams coached by the likes of Maguire, Tony Smith, Noble and Brown is far superior to ours.

lots of effort again but lack of disclipline and basic errors costs us again sounds to familiar to me and sums us up, yeah a decent performance but wigan were there for the taking but wasnt good enough

No we expected Hull to have a disciplined structure and a mental strength to take advantage.

something that is clearly absent from any coaching

Losing a lead against 12 men is unforgivable no matter who you are playing.