we still look like a really poorly coached team. We can't even do the basics of the game well

Yet another dispiriting afternoon in what is now feeling like the never ending season.

I was uneasy about our prospects all week and right from the kick-off it became painfully obvious it was going to be another horror show from us.

Above all our usual failings, which we have witnessed every week so far this year, there seemed to me to be a complete lack of self-belief in their chances of coming away with a win. It was almost as if they expected to lose, which is staggering when playing a team without a win and fighting against the tide every week.

I wonder if the cumulative effect of this horror season has knocked out what little confidence they had to begin with and they are now resigned to defeat even before they step out onto the field. Their body language throughout was diabolical with not an ounce of self-belief visible.

They look like a group of people who desperately wished they could be somewhere else, including Myler. Nearly all of them seemed to be hiding, hoping that someone else would do something, anything, to rescue them. When you have 17 players all largely displaying that attitude there is only going to be one result, and so it proved. There wasn't an ounce of leadership out there yesterday.

It's difficult to see where a win will come from next. Even the remaining games against Cas and London look fraught with difficulty, while every other team will be licking their lips at the chance to fill their boots when we roll into town! We all know we are in an almighty hole of our own making, but that hole became deeper and steeper with that abject performance yesterday.

Have no idea where we go to or who we turn to next. I would normally expect a reaction in the next game to atone what we witnessed, but we all know that is unlikely to happen, they don't have it in them. There is over four months of this season left to play and all I can see ahead is a series of endless defeats. We don't look capable of beating anyone right now.

This is now, unquestionably, the worst state the club has been in 50 years. Dark days with even darker ones still to come I fear.

Someone watched it in Cott and said Carlos was sat in the sun drinking beers didn’t even watch the game, another one who can go now.

Well that was a long expensive weekend. Really enjoyable apart from the horror show of a match.

You could see from the warm up that they weren’t up for it. Too many just going through the motions pretending to be SL standard players.

At some point we have to hit rock bottom and then start to recover. Was that it?

The thing with that clip is there was a coach ( Davidson ?)right next to the players ambling through tackle bags ffs !!

Amazed he is still at the club.

Pele wouldn't play for the club again after that if I was in charge of anything.
Did 17 minutes, with a sit down for half time in the middle of it. Can't/won't run, can't/wont get around the pitch, can't/won't defend. A disgusting performance from any player, never mind an NRL import, quota player, high earner. No surprise to see them walking through the gap he was meant to be defending for the try before half time.

His fitness levels and conditioning are shameful - and he's not the only one you could say that about either. Sticking the kick off out on the full straight after that, inviting them back down to our end, with a minute to go to half time, summed us up overall - unprofessional.

Couldn’t agree more, I said it weeks ago, with people saying he’ll come good, not a chance in my opinion.

Must admit I was one of those who thought he may come good from what I'd seen this season once he'd got in to some form of shape or fitness. However the fact he still looks miles away from looking remotely fit is a concern in terms of his application as a sports professional but also concerning is the conditioning and fitness standards we have at the club currently. Its no wonder as a club we are joint bottom and deservedly so when the only player you can say is genuinely worthy of taking a quota spot is Ese'ese.

Pele reminds me of Hutch, Lauaki and Vete rolled into one.

Same thoughts from me. I still think there's a player in there if he gets his fitness right. But I don't see it being with us and I think there's a big question mark over whether he wants to get into that kind of shape himself.

If he had anything about him, he would have used those 5 weeks off to get into shape, owed it to the fans after his sending off.

If we can replace him for Satae I'd be delighte.

I'm convinced with a lot of these signings (Okunbor, Pele, even as far back as Bienek) the club gets sent a highlight reel of a player making some barnstorming runs at reserve grade level, they then ring up the clubs DoR who says "yeah they'll go well in super league" in a desperate attempt to get rid of them and free up some salary cap as no other NRL/Queensland cup team want them, and it gets them off their books...we think that's a good enough level of due diligence and then give them a lucrative 2/3 year deal

Me too (was about to post the same!).
I think/hope/believe that Pele could still be a decent standard SL player, but probably not with us and certainly not in 2024.

I wonder if he is one of those players who constantly needs kicking up the backside in order to keep him motivated which in turn then gets the best out of him? The current working in environment at Hull Fc is hardly along those lines so, like the bulk of the others, he's just dawdling along, getting paid for his 15 minutes work each week!

It's partly his fault, partly the coaching staff's fault, but underpinning all this is the ethos/attitude/culture/ call-it-what-you-will that has been running right through the club for too many years now and which is the real cause of out problems.

In many ways, Pele is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the club. An unwillingness to work, an inability to get the best out of what we have at our disposal, a refusal to confront fundamental underlying issues which continue to stifle any hope of the club moving forward.

Franklin Pele certainly has to take some personal responsibility for the fact that he clearly is not doing the job, for which he is paid well, to a satisfactory level. But the club must also stand accused of failing to provide an environment which makes players want to better themselves and give their all in the common cause.

It would be interesting to see how Pele, and indeed a number of other under-performing players, would respond to a strict disciplinarian regime at the club, a shape up or ship out kind of attitude across the board. I suspect we will never find out in his case, unfortunately.

That's what I do

But yeah, that's not what the recruitment team should do.

Hopefully Myler isn't like that.