When Smith was at HKR he also signed a bunch of duds
The lads that came from Bradford were all brought to the club by a guy previously working at Bradford

As a Warrington fan, I obviously have fond memories and eternal gratitude to Smith for what he achieved with us. However, he's only been successful when he's taken ready-built teams like he had at Leeds and Warrington and got them to gel into something wonderful. Whenever he's built his own team (like he did in his later Warrington years and at HKR) he's not really done much at all. I want him to do well, but I just don't think the Hull job was right for him. Shame he didn't inherit the team Radford had.

Reading Tony Smith's solution to our situation .
"We have to train harder"
"We have to be more determined with the way we're training ,and the intensity of training "
This is appalling !!
Isnt this the responsibility of the individual who is leading the training session?
There is no wonder, why the team is performing the way it is .
Jack Gibson said "Winning starts on Monday ,If you prepare well, you play well"
(Granted, we only have 1 conditioner at the club, who was an ex data analyst )
When Maguire took over at Wigan, it only took 6 weeks to change the attitude & culture ,
the big difference , the hierarchy gave him, a fully resourced backroom staff.
Adam Pearson's attitude of cutting all costs,this is showing zero ambition,this has filtered all the way throughout the organisation .
As they say 'The fish rots from the head '

We’re using the wrong measurement !
You’re looking at results instead of the
Important data

CULTURE - Tony is here to change the
Culture like a good yoghurt

So forget results and ask yourself “ has the culture improved ?”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hlj ... BAS97vsq5c Interview on BBC after the match - I couldn’t get to the end

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hlj ... BAS97vsq5c Interview on BBC after the match - I couldn’t get to the end

Jack Gibson also said " Success/ Winning starts at the front office."

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ts-9185210 Think this article says everything about the club , seemingly expecting hammerings , which we as fans do not . It the club had been honest and open you can get behind them but as it is they are not and fans rapidly losing their love of the current incarnation .

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ts-9185210 Think this article says everything about the club , seemingly expecting hammerings , which we as fans do not . It the club had been honest and open you can get behind them but as it is they are not and fans rapidly losing their love of the current incarnation .

Smith, Gene, Pearson, Clarke (what does actually do, given Pearson wields absolute power?) can all clear off for me. We might not have a club in a couple of years without them, won’t have one with them either.

Get rid of that matchday DJ too before they make him CFO.

"We need to toughen up across the board," Smith said post-match. We need to make sure we’re doing our own jobs really well. We’ve all got to take responsibility for that and at the moment we know it’s not good enough."

Tony Smith HDM 23.03.24

The mould is set gentlemen and the people that run the club on our behalf are not going to change their minds no matter how much we whine and protest. Smith is trying to build a culture of collaboration and like it or not, it is our responsibility to support the current set up in any kind of weather. We know that we are the best supporters in rugby league (despite what the noveau riche of East Hull shout). I am not suggesting that we become a bunch of happy clappers but criticise where necessary in a positive manner. If you feel that the players, coaching staff, CEO or owner aren't deserving of our support that's fair enough. But surely we all love this club enough to get behind it for the sake of the loved ones who indoctrinated each of us, the badge, the heritage, the tradition and our responsibility to one another?

Some of the best times I've had as a supporter have been when the team are dire but the passion and unity amongst supporters has endured. It's what makes the successful times all the sweeter. I don't buy into this modern culture of everyone stamps their feet and gets what they want, when they want it. It is time to turn the morgue that is the MKM into a fortress, simply turning up and sitting there quietly is not an option. Let's fulfill our match day responsibilities and get behind the team vociferously. If we get hammered, nobody can then criticise the lack of support.!!

It's a bit disingenuous and lazy IMO to label those losing patience as spoilt whingers.

I've been a regular supporters for 30 odd years and a passholder for most. I've seen objectively worse times than this on the pitch eg out of the top flight. The difference now is that there is no hope of winning a match unless it's against part time London and in all likelihood a massive humiliation. In the same way supporting a successful, or at least competitive, team inspires pride and optimism, associating with a team that are out of their depth qualitywise, ill-disciplined, disorganised and likely to lose every game by at least 30 points does the opposite.

The real sticking point for me is that there is no tangible plan or green shoots. Nothing to get on board with in terms of realistic squad quality improvement other than some vague "you'll have to be patient" deflection.

So without significant new investment the choice seems to be either to keep going at the foot of the table, accepting a win ratio of 10% but surviving in SL due to the club's size, or dropping down a league or two and finding a new home. Not so much "it's the hope that kills you" but the complete lack of it.

You miss my point Mrs Barista which I probably didn't convey very eloquently. I got a bit Brave heart by the time I'd finished typing!) . I'm doing my fair share of being a spoilt whinger myself. My point is that it won't get us anywhere and we would be better off focusing our frustration on being the loyal, passionate, vocal group of supporters that we know we are...thereby responsibility as supporters achieved and over to you Messrs Pearson and Smith.

Interesting posts but I have to say that Loyalty is never in doubt!!!

However I do admire your sentiments what's more make no mistake Mrs B gets it as well, for there is little doubt that many on here will always support their club and be there whatever. Some of us with 60 odd years of pass holding behind us never stop loving the club and that's something that we will take to our grave with us. We have been on here for over 20 years often defending the club against the spoilt whingers during lives that have seen us in some real holes and minutes away from folding and yet it is a club that has provided the best day we ever had in our lives.

So make no mistake we'll always be there for our club. But the fact is even for the most hardened supporters the current situation is soul destroying. In the last week at least six guys have stoped me in Beverley and said "I'm keeping my pass I love the club Pete, but I can't face going anymore at present". I try to gee them up but in my heart of hearts I feel the same. The thought of going on Friday is way too much for me but god bless those who are going.

We have seen bad times but even in the worst there were green shoots of optimism. Something to cling to and signs of better times ahead. But I think now when I look inwardly at how I feel I can't remember feeling so helpless about the lack of passion the lack of any sort of leaders on the field, the lack of direction in attack and organisation in defence. I don't think a lot of the players think like I do anymore. That plus the fact that no one away from the playing side wants to speak to us, the folks who have invested so much in the club. But the absolute killer is that of a club that no matter who plays for it who manages it and who owns it continues on in the same inherent culture year on year and this time, with our last two rounds of recruitment and more important the players that have left there just sees to be no way out!!

I post on here infrequently but have visited daily for a number of years. I respect both your points of view (Mrs B and Wilf) and don't doubt your passion for our great club. I agree that this is just about the worst hole we've been in and feel as hopeless as you do but unlike the pass holders you mention, I think that now is exactly the time not to vote with your feet but is the time to get there and get behind the badge. Being recognised as and recognising ourselves as being great supporters may well be all we have left. For instance, by doing this at Caravan Park next week it will at least prevent us from enduring the "we can see you sneaking out diatribe from the scum! We can't outplay them so let's out sing them!