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| Quote: "A note of caution. For both sides really.
Because of the franchise system and the differences between Hull and Rovers, I've unintentionally learned a little about accountancy since joining RLfans. One thing seems clear to me - a good RL club accountant is as much about advocacy as accuracy. You can't flat-out lie, but figures can be manipulated and presented in different ways to create different narratives. In the past the Hull board thought it desirable to show profits to be able present themselves as capable custodians - and they were able to do that. AP has a different agenda - it suits him to be the saviour. So poor figures are reported. Pleading poverty also works well in terms of trying to get a better deal on the KC - it's clearly no coincidence that that story came out the same day. So while Rovers trolls/fans might be amused that the KC is being presented as an onerous burden, nothing has really changed - AP knew that agreement as well as anyone. In part, it'll be about appearing weak to strengthen a negotiating position.
I'm not saying that things haven't taken a turn for the worse, but that a reversal of spin probably makes it seem more serious than it is.
So Hull fans can maybe temper the gloom a little. But in 12 months from now, when there'll likely be a story about how losses have been slashed or a return to profitability, while elevating Pearson from forum Knighthood to Sainthood, it'd be sensible to also recall the thread frepneyboy pulled up earlier and remember they only tell you what suits - at all clubs, tbf, it'd be a bit dozey to paint yourself in a bad light.'"
Started reading it but I saw a small amount of optimism and that is so not allowed on here, so stopped.  |
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| Quote: "A note of caution. For both sides really.
Because of the franchise system and the differences between Hull and Rovers, I've unintentionally learned a little about accountancy since joining RLfans. One thing seems clear to me - a good RL club accountant is as much about advocacy as accuracy. You can't flat-out lie, but figures can be manipulated and presented in different ways to create different narratives. In the past the Hull board thought it desirable to show profits to be able present themselves as capable custodians - and they were able to do that. AP has a different agenda - it suits him to be the saviour. So poor figures are reported. Pleading poverty also works well in terms of trying to get a better deal on the KC - it's clearly no coincidence that that story came out the same day. So while Rovers trolls/fans might be amused that the KC is being presented as an onerous burden, nothing has really changed - AP knew that agreement as well as anyone. In part, it'll be about appearing weak to strengthen a negotiating position.
I'm not saying that things haven't taken a turn for the worse, but that a reversal of spin probably makes it seem more serious than it is.
So Hull fans can maybe temper the gloom a little. But in 12 months from now, when there'll likely be a story about how losses have been slashed or a return to profitability, while elevating Pearson from forum Knighthood to Sainthood, it'd be sensible to also recall the thread frepneyboy pulled up earlier and remember they only tell you what suits - at all clubs, tbf, it'd be a bit dozey to paint yourself in a bad light.'"
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Sorry if already been mentioned but didnt pearson make a remark about the players been put as assets in your figures and not been happy with it? We all know thats the case so in reality seen as though hull are one of only a couple of teams that do this, would hull of been putting in losses every year instead of showing profit?? If rovers put there players as assets and a value similar to what hull put then wouldnt we of shown a profit also every year?
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| Quote: "Not every kr fans trolling though, your always going to get your idiots but I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush.'"
I would,and feather them too.  |
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| Quote: "Sorry if already been mentioned but didnt pearson make a remark about the players been put as assets in your figures and not been happy with it? We all know thats the case so in reality seen as though hull are one of only a couple of teams that do this, would hull of been putting in losses every year instead of showing profit?? If rovers put there players as assets and a value similar to what hull put then wouldnt we of shown a profit also every year?'"
Your probably right,but at the end of the day it is not going to affect any of our household budgets,so I reckon we should let the clubs accountants worry about it.Its not a massive loss compared to some sports. |
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| Quote: "Sorry if already been mentioned but didnt pearson make a remark about the players been put as assets in your figures and not been happy with it? We all know thats the case so in reality seen as though hull are one of only a couple of teams that do this, would hull of been putting in losses every year instead of showing profit?? If rovers put there players as assets and a value similar to what hull put then wouldnt we of shown a profit also every year?'"
No.
The players are listed as an asset on the balance sheet. This does not effect profit and/or loss (P&L account) atall.
In basic terms the P&L is: income - expenditure = profit or loss, over a given time period (in this case one year). |
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| Quote: "Sorry if already been mentioned but didnt pearson make a remark about the players been put as assets in your figures and not been happy with it? We all know thats the case so in reality seen as though hull are one of only a couple of teams that do this, would hull of been putting in losses every year instead of showing profit?? If rovers put there players as assets and a value similar to what hull put then wouldnt we of shown a profit also every year?'"
The players were put down as assets thus showing the full value of the club. Showing the players as an asset makes no difference to the Profit/Loss of the financial year.
Neville beat me to it. Shame Radio Humberside don't understand this basic principle. |
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| Quote: "No.
The players are listed as an asset on the balance sheet. This does not effect profit and/or loss (P&L account) atall.
In basic terms the P&L is: income - expenditure
ah right, dont really understand how that works to be fair, was just wondering why pearson was concerned about it. If it makes no difference at all then why do it / why not do it for those clubs that dont?
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| Quote: "Sorry if already been mentioned but didnt pearson make a remark about the players been put as assets in your figures and not been happy with it? We all know thats the case so in reality seen as though hull are one of only a couple of teams that do this, would hull of been putting in losses every year instead of showing profit?? If rovers put there players as assets and a value similar to what hull put then wouldnt we of shown a profit also every year?'"
Given some of our performances over the last year, we'd probably be further in the red. |
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| Quote: "ah right, dont really understand how that works to be fair, was just wondering why pearson was concerned about it. If it makes no difference at all then why do it / why not do it for those clubs that dont?'"
The only real reason to do it is to make the club look more valuable on paper. Example
Team A is valued at 3,000,000
They have 25 first teams valued at approx 30,000 each (total of 750,000
Team A value with squad is now 3, 750,000
I suppose if you are looking to sell the club then valuing it with the players makes some sense. |
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| Quote: "The players were put down as assets thus showing the full value of the club. Showing the players as an asset makes no difference to the Profit/Loss of the financial year.
Neville beat me to it. Shame Radio Humberside don't understand this basic principle.'"
Yep,
The P&L shows a company's trading performance over a given time period; the Balance Sheet shows the company's value at that given moment in time.
The player valuations therefore make the company (at first glace) look as though it's in a healthier position than it actually is.
It doesn't [ireally [/imatter IMO. The only people who would be interested in this are potential investors, and they'd be able to spot it very quickly. |
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| Quote: "The only real reason to do it is to make the club look more valuable on paper. Example
Team A is valued at 3,000,000
They have 25 first teams valued at approx 30,000 each (total of 750,000
Team A value with squad is now 3, 750,000
I suppose if you are looking to sell the club then valuing it with the players makes some sense.'"
I understand now. thanks |
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| Quote: "A note of caution. For both sides really.
Because of the franchise system and the differences between Hull and Rovers, I've unintentionally learned a little about accountancy since joining RLfans. One thing seems clear to me - a good RL club accountant is as much about advocacy as accuracy. You can't flat-out lie, but figures can be manipulated and presented in different ways to create different narratives. In the past the Hull board thought it desirable to show profits to be able present themselves as capable custodians - and they were able to do that. AP has a different agenda - it suits him to be the saviour. So poor figures are reported. Pleading poverty also works well in terms of trying to get a better deal on the KC - it's clearly no coincidence that that story came out the same day. So while Rovers trolls/fans might be amused that the KC is being presented as an onerous burden, nothing has really changed - AP knew that agreement as well as anyone. In part, it'll be about appearing weak to strengthen a negotiating position.
I'm not saying that things haven't taken a turn for the worse, but that a reversal of spin probably makes it seem more serious than it is.
So Hull fans can maybe temper the gloom a little. But in 12 months from now, when there'll likely be a story about how losses have been slashed or a return to profitability, while elevating Pearson from forum Knighthood to Sainthood, it'd be sensible to also recall the thread frepneyboy pulled up earlier and remember they only tell you what suits - at all clubs, tbf, it'd be a bit dozey to paint yourself in a bad light.'"
Best post in this thread.
I agree that the old board were under-investing, not running things as well as they should be and their actions were affecting the clubs on-field performance and profitability.
However I believe that Pearson isn't so naive as to have not done his homework when he bought the club, and that the timing of this story (coming days after the end of the discount period for season tickets, and at the same time as the SMC re-negotiation) isn't just coincidental. |
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I suppose if you are looking to sell the club then valuing it with the players makes some sense.'"
Not with some of the duck-eggs we've had on our books over the last couple of seasons |
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| Quote: "It's an evidence-based statement based on the best available evidence - i.e. this thread. As a scientist I'm more or less obliged to draw conclusions based on available data. ![]()
A scientist who believes in luck . Jesus
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