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Quote: Chris71 "I think the part of your post I've highlighted in bold is the biggest issue and cause of the problems the game is facing.

For too long the RFL and all involved within have been far too parochial and there has been a definite reluctance to relinquish any part of the game to outside partoes for fear of losing any control. The SL then chose to try and do it themselves which just compounded the problems as most of the clubs then started to look out for the own interests and not the game. They even brought in an outsider in Elston who had a proven background and gave him to task to come up with answers yet a number of clubs then didnt like the answers so Elston then left his role as it was a pointless task.

The game is still classed and viewed by mainstream media and the public as a game played up north amongst flap caps and whippets. Until the RFL and SL (Europe) get their blinkers off and actually invest in the right areas & people such as marketing and have a properly thought out strategy it wont' make any difference to whatever they try to achieve with the game.

This is for me the crux of the issue, there are certain factions that seem quite happy to sit take out the game yet are not prepared to really earn their corn to do their job effectively.

I've said before I'm not a big fan of the Hearns but the game unfortunately needs to look at people like them that can really turn the sport around in terms of the marketing and revenue stream potential. They have the where with all and non blinkered vision to make decisions whether liked or not to improve and grow what they are involved with for the better.

Between the RFL and SL they have blown countless opportunities to steal a march on other sports but just sat back and now have been overtaken and lag behind.

The big issue now is that they have messed about and dithered with the sport so much over the past decade with no real strategy and they are now turning off the fans the sport had which is a big concern.

As for comments from trolls such as its because AP cant afford it or he's over spent etc whether true or not I can't say but even the likes of Leeds who are Hethetrington openly admitted have lost 3/4 of a million and wlll do so again, its not rocket science to realise that even the few clubs that have money won't survive without the game.'"


For my money, you're absolutely spot on!

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Quote: barham red "One of RL's biggest negatives is that most of the games are played in half empty (and in some cases nearly empty) stadia with no atmosphere and as such very little excitement. Regardsless of the quality of the game on Saturday there will be a full stadium and an electric atmosphere. If a random viewer tunes into a game with all the atmosphere of a Sunday league game what is the initial view, even the clubs real fans can't be bothered.

The local 'grudge' matches are the ones that generate viewers, like someone said earlier, clubs not being nice to each other generates the viewing figures and the interest, ultimately column inches.

One big management learning is that to get on you need 10% perfomanace 60% image and 30% exposure.. RL has all its eggs in the performance bucket. The 100 did well because it had a good image and high exposure, the games average but people will watch because others are watching and the media are telling them to. We need to get to that whilst not alienating the current fan base.'"


Yes, yes, yes! And your last sentence is so pertinent because a lot of the current fan base won't like the necessary changes.

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The 100 cricket has been perceived a success (I’d like to know how many discounted tickets and merchandise has been given out though) because Sky has a vested interest in it being a success. They, and the ECB, have spent millions on it, and pushed a lot of resource at it.

They’ve also thrown a lot at it production wise, while we get Bill, Baz and Tez.

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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "What is your counter argument?'"


Pearson sells the club or you just quietly fade away.

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Quote: Irregular Hoops "The 100 cricket has been perceived a success (I’d like to know how many discounted tickets and merchandise has been given out though) because Sky has a vested interest in it being a success. They, and the ECB, have spent millions on it, and pushed a lot of resource at it.

They’ve also thrown a lot at it production wise, while we get Bill, Baz and Tez.'"

I went down to Lords for one of The Hundred games the other week. Adult tickets were £30 each, Double Header, six hours entertainment; in front of a crowd of 23,000.

As I’ve said previously, Cricket has created a new competition out of nothing. All App based, you get alerts each evening telling you what games are on and asking who you think is going to win. I love Test cricket, but have found myself tuning in most nights for sometimes 10-15 minutes to watch The Hundred while I am having a cup of tea.

One sponsor, KP, with all teams having a different brand of crisps. We should try and get United Biscuits to also sponsor RL, with different McVities brands on shirts; or McDonalds, or Coca Cola. All recognisable brands and better than having some unknown company on your shirt that no one has heard of.

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..... what's an App?

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Bizarre. I didn't even say we needed more derbies. But let's not wilfully destroy our existing valuable properties.'"


But you did?

Quote: The Ghost of '99 "We need more of the better rating games, like the Hull derby. We don't have enough of them'"


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Quote: Rugby Raider "I went down to Lords for one of The Hundred games the other week. Adult tickets were £30 each, Double Header, six hours entertainment; in front of a crowd of 23,000.

As I’ve said previously, Cricket has created a new competition out of nothing. All App based, you get alerts each evening telling you what games are on and asking who you think is going to win. I love Test cricket, but have found myself tuning in most nights for sometimes 10-15 minutes to watch The Hundred while I am having a cup of tea.

One sponsor, KP, with all teams having a different brand of crisps. We should try and get United Biscuits to also sponsor RL, with different McVities brands on shirts; or McDonalds, or Coca Cola. All recognisable brands and better than having some unknown company on your shirt that no one has heard of.'"


I also love Test cricket, county cricket, one day internationals, and even a bit of T20, but each to his own I suppose, I just find The Hundred a little too gimmicky, and the organisers are gilding th Lilly, a step too far for me.

In a different era in our game, we managed the floodlit trophy, the John Player, the premiership trophy, and still played Rovers twice, no crappy loop fixtures, contrived Magic weekends , good competitions which generated cash and a fervour to watch our game, sorry I’m on the wrong thread, but AP concerns of changing direction regarding private investment should be heeded.

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I've followed cricket all my life, but I only managed a couple of minutes watching the IPL and the "Hundred" before turning over.

The razzmatazz is not for me.

I watched the ManU v Benfica 1968 European Cup Final a few months ago, I really enjoyed it - even the memory of 'A' level chemistry the following morning.

The difference from now is quite simple, absolutely no replays, so you actually had to watch the game.

Now every wicket and every run is show a hundred times from a hundred different camera angles - not for me, I'm afraid.

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Quote: ccs "I've followed cricket all my life, but I only managed a couple of minutes watching the IPL and the "Hundred" before turning over.

The razzmatazz is not for me.

I watched the ManU v Benfica 1968 European Cup Final a few months ago, I really enjoyed it - even the memory of 'A' level chemistry the following morning.

The difference from now is quite simple, absolutely no replays, so you actually had to watch the game.


Now every wicket and every run is show a hundred times from a hundred different camera angles - not for me, I'm afraid.'"


..And this is the nub of the problem. Like you must be, ccs, I'm no spring chicken, but the game quite simply has to appeal to a younger audience who like the razzamatazz, love technology, multi-task, etc, etc.

As a lifelong FC supporter, can you believe I even found myself agreeing with a Rovers fan earlier in this thread (never in my lifetime!!), because he/she was talking sense - now that's embracing change for you icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "I also love Test cricket, county cricket, one day internationals, and even a bit of T20, but each to his own I suppose, I just find The Hundred a little too gimmicky, and the organisers are gilding th Lilly, a step too far for me.

In a different era in our game, we managed the floodlit trophy, the John Player, the premiership trophy, and still played Rovers twice, no crappy loop fixtures, contrived Magic weekends , good competitions which generated cash and a fervour to watch our game, sorry I’m on the wrong thread, but AP concerns of changing direction regarding private investment should be heeded.'"


I agree we have to change direction but AP apart from Private investment he has mentioned nothing he would do to enhance the game.
I have mentioned before that Sky is a noose round the neck of R/L and all the game does is dance to the tune of Sky.
we need terrestrial TV and if it comes at the expense of Sky and we have to take two steps backwards in TV revenue to build the game nationally then so be it.
Whatever happens we need to get rid of Thursday matches and most Friday matches so that Sunday afternoon once again becomes the day of Rugby League
Sunday games also gives the opportunity to get more families into the stadium and fans from all teams are more likely to travel to away games on a Sunday given they are unlikely to be delayed on the motorways.

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Maybe get rid of the dreaded loop fixtures and instead have a separate 9's league to run during a month mid summer. Similar concept to the 100 in Cricket. Make sure you have a women's competition to be played at the same venue like they did in the world cup which was brilliant.

Haven't thought it through and talking complete bollox but it's a start.

A visionary or a fool. Take your pick!

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Quote: Rugby Raider "I went down to Lords for one of The Hundred games the other week. Adult tickets were £30 each, Double Header, six hours entertainment; in front of a crowd of 23,000.

As I’ve said previously, Cricket has created a new competition out of nothing. All App based, you get alerts each evening telling you what games are on and asking who you think is going to win. I love Test cricket, but have found myself tuning in most nights for sometimes 10-15 minutes to watch The Hundred while I am having a cup of tea.

One sponsor, KP, with all teams having a different brand of crisps. We should try and get United Biscuits to also sponsor RL, with different McVities brands on shirts; or McDonalds, or Coca Cola. All recognisable brands and better than having some unknown company on your shirt that no one has heard of.'"

i wach test cricket,but i find the100 is very good to watch,same as t20 and t40.

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Quote: Marcus's Bicycle "Maybe get rid of the dreaded loop fixtures and instead have a separate 9's league to run during a month mid summer. Similar concept to the 100 in Cricket. Make sure you have a women's competition to be played at the same venue like they did in the world cup which was brilliant.

Haven't thought it through and talking complete bollox but it's a start.

A visionary or a fool. Take your pick!'"


but where do you get the players to play nines?
Unless you use under 19s but that would have little interest
Not sure either at this stage the womens game creates much interest unless clubs create teams from Womens Secret models

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The current set of top flight clubs are deckchairs on the Titanic. We've had 20 odd years since Framing the Future and the only real successes for the sport IMO have been the emergence of Catalans and the move to the summer. We're stuck with the same bunch of self interested chairmen resulting in a desperate chase for ever decreasing revenue as the insistence on the status quo creates a competiton with limited horizons and no appetite to create new interest either geographically or formatwise.

The sport needs to pay less attention to the attitudinal fossils that populate its fanbase today and more to the audiences of the future because pandering to the Fev is Fev, Cas is Cas attitudes has got us precisely nowhere.

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