So when does Agar begin to be accountable for what happens on the pitch?.

Years 1 & 2 - Not his team,injuries & Kaths involvement
Year 3 - Injuries & Kaths involvement
Year 4 - Kath's involvement

Should we give him another 3 years before we judge him?. Has everything got to be perfect off the pitch before he gets it right?. Don't other coaches have issues that need to be overcome, in order to create a winning culture?.

The one constant in 4 years of failure, & going backwards on the pitch, is Agar. End of story.

Reading some of the vitriol on here you'd think the Doc was responsible for poor team performances. If you think he's biased and blinkered about Agar then do the sensible thing and turn it off, don't listen. None of the BBC's commentators can be too critical about coaches as they need to maintain a working relationship with the clubs.

On a personal note, I like the Doc and think his positive slant on Hull FC makes a chalk and cheese contrast to the HKR bias of Gwillem Lloyd, Nick Pinkney, Lee Richardson and Chris Park.

At least we know that Rich has a job lined up in a sportswear shop when he finally get's the boot, unfortunately though I fear it won't be long before the same old problems begin to surfaceJMSPORTS '[iRich, I asked you to move all those boxes in the store room, why haven't you done it?'[/i
Agar[i 'Us is injured, but us will move as many boxes as you want next year'
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JMSPORTS 'Rich, I've noticed that you've been under-charging a lot of the customers'
Agar [i'Us isn't very good at sums, but us is learning on the job'
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JMSPORTS [i'Rich, you're arriving late most days - you really need to be here by 9am'[/i
Agar [i'Us hasn't been provided with the right kind of alarm clock'
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JMSPORTS [i'Rich, I'm afraid I just don't think you're cut out for working in a sportswear shop'[/i
Agar [i'Us disagrees, when us is running us own branch you'll see the difference'[/i

I heard this argument before, but it just falls flat in a couple of ways. Firstly, Crusaders have largely the same squad this year, the only significant loss being Hauraki, but this year they haven't been assembled in a month, they've mostly already had a full year together. So if anything Harris has had a better chance than Noble.

Secondly, If Harris and Sharp did most of the coaching last year and Noble didn't do much, it's not really his first year as a Head Coach then, is it? He was essentially De Facto Head Coach last year.

The cold facts are that between last season and this season Crusaders have had only 2 major departures, Hauraki and Noble. The rest is pretty much the same, and they've gone from a rapidly-assembled squad who gelled pretty quickly last year to now mostly looking like they only meet up on matchdays and have no idea what anybody is going to do. It just does not hold up that the man overseeing the pathetic outfit this year should be given the credit for last year's successes instead of the highly decorated coach who was in charge then, and without whom they've fallen apart alarmingly.

Without question. If he's as good as you say he is he should have no trouble finding alternative employment after all.

And he said he'd walk if he couldn't take us forward. Maybe his mouth shouldn't have written a cheque his courage can't cover?

Oh - and he knew what he was getting into when he took the job on.


I don't care. Morgan isn't in the process of ruining my club.


I'd rather have my self respect, having made a public promise to walk if I failed. But there you go.

Agar wouldn't walk even if he thought he was doing a bad job. Who would leave a job were they are getting paid for producing nothing especially when they know there is no other job in the foreseeable future in a head coaches capacity at least.

You dont like him do you?

Was your son one of the Under 20's he shouted at?