look like he isnt allowed a bad day.

thorman is not really the player i was hoping we would sign but,he does seem to be being made the scapegoat(tommy lee has been given a breather!).he is not the only player to be playing below the standard required(rich horne has been quiet,but i suppose being a god in some eyes he will never get the blame)true,thorman hasnt set the world alight,but he needs to be given time,also the forwards in recent times havent helped him either.i would love to see a top class scrum-half at the club,but we all know it aint going to happen!!!.so instead of getting on his back give him the support and encouragement so that he has the belief that we want him to succeed

thank you

If by "writing him off" you mean having an opinion that he wouldn't be in my 17 if everyone were fit, then yes, you are correct.

Well if you are happy with no flair centres then you have low expectations dont you........with the right coaching he can be very good.

Standing deep in attack would be a start for our centres (all of the team infact). Really riles me up does that and the defensive line speed.

I can't believe how poor in this part of our game we've become from the first opening set of games. It's gone from "in your face " to one step defence.

The attacking line is as flat as our defensive line and i get fed up of commenting on it. Also our unwillingness to pressure the kicks we make. (I think it may be due to 90% of our kicks going direct to the opposition player)

One positive from the Derby was our defence in the last 20. It was as aggressive as i've seen it for a long long time. Some of the hits were absolute corkers. Tommy Lee in particular put some big hits in.

That now needs to set the standard.

Quote KNOCK OFF NIGEL="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"One positive from the Derby was our defence in the last 20. It was as aggressive as i've seen it for a long long time. Some of the hits were absolute corkers. Tommy Lee in particular put some big hits in.

That now needs to set the standard.'"

Its almost impossible to keep that intensity for 80 mins. Our line speed and big hits suffer because our forwards have to play such long periods without been substituted. Improve the rotation and that will keep those aspects to higher intensity.

Agree when we got into them in last 20 it was fantastic and if we'd been able to hold the ball for 6 we'd have won.

Saying this i can't see why we didnt start like that. my only thought is that the forwards knew they were gonna be on for long periods so tried to pace themselves. clutching at straws but only thing i can think of

Seems to be pretty acurate for me. Manu is stifled because he knows he isn't getting a break and the forwards know they are putting in a minimum of 60mins if they are lucky.

But we should have started stronger and not have left it to the last 20 mins . We had ample time within that first half to demonstrate that "intensity in defense" in that first half.