you know what,hope there stay but if not time to move on, what am really really hoping for is it to be sorted out quickly,then we can move on

was you not at saints?? when he made an england international look like he played for west hull....
as for whiting, id bet no-one in the top 6 would take him if he became available....

There is a lot of guff in that post mate.

Ellis your starting 6?? What has he actually done when he has come into the side? Picked wrong options, done a couple of decent kicks, shown poor passing ability. You have seen how much we miss Horne when he is out the side.

Is Manu actually that good??? Are you watching the same player i am. He is a freak, no other player in SL like him and his stats back that up

Have you seen any games this year?

Ellis has been average to poor apart from a good kicking spell against Bradford, Horne been good this year.

Ellis is miles away from Hornes standard, that's not to say I see Horne taking us to the next level though, but to say Ellius is better than Horne is laughable.

And Manu is an excellent SL player, is his worth the wages he wants? Not sure as we don't know how much money he wants.

I think you under value whiting. His ability to read a game, intercept passes which he does more than most and his defence are all first class.
I regard him as a valuable member of our team and someone fans will remember fondly when he retires.
Always dependable and loyal to the cause.

i totally agree but he hasnt got the qualitys that it takes to be in a top team.... facts dont lie... good player-yes, great player- sadly no

How many top teams have 17 great players.

He is better than Lauaki and Kirke who both feature regularly in their respective teams.

What kind of salary cap do you think we have to get 26 great players??

You really don't like him do you?

If we keep Manu I'd sacrifice Whiting to bring in better props.

well if the media is correct he wants international standard wages. and for me he's not worth that....i dare say we could have the pick of second rowers in sl with the money he wants.. as for ellis, give the kid a chance, he's been in nl1 for a couple of years and is just finding his feet in sl..... he's by far and away the best place kicker we have a the club already.... paired with seymour he will flourish in my opinion..... as for having a good game against bradford, he did, your correct, his kicking game won us the match..im not saying horne and manu arent good players they are obviuosly, but its all about getting value for money and currently i dont beleive we are..take wigan for example, other than there imports and tomkins, who else will be on top money?? maybe hock and o'louglin, definatly not goulding,tusan,farrell,charnley,prescott,mcillorum,dudson,hansen etc etc and they made us look daft even when weve had a full strength team out in the past nevermind when weve got half of our starting 13 injured.....

The thing to really consider is how easily either could be replaced. I'd say it would be fairly straightforward to find someone to replace Turner (rumours are we already have) but nigh on impossible to find someone who could offer us what Whiting does.

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