Agree with pretty much all that, apart from the Shaul point. Clearly something's going on here; at its most simplistic it appears he's unhappy to be dropped and his compliance and attitude have been less than expected. I don't think there's a sweeping generalisation that we may as well give up on young players. Crooks and Shaul's (if rumours are to be believed) departures seem to be in the same category though and not the first time young players in Hull have got ahead of themselves. You'd have hoped playing alongside professional role models like Ellis and Mini would help but you can only lead a horse to water. Whether things could have been better managed is obviously debatable, but Radford wants a teamcentric, hard working, good attitude group of players and suspect those who don't comply don't make friends.

I think young players are given chances, although only on a one game at a time basis. Radford's pretty quick to drop players after errors, but if you want players picked on form, maybe that's the consequence. Hopefully the current crop of Logan etc will know the expectations from the start; I wouldn't be writing off any/all future hope they'll be successful.

You can't just keep shipping out talented youngsters because they show a bit of immaturity. It's up to the club to address the reasons why it's happening, not just move the players on because turning them around is beyond the capabilities of the current set up.

Don't disagree at all, but given Radford went out on a limb to keep Shaul when Gentle was here I'd be surprised if there hadn't been attempts made by Radford, Last, Horne, Ellis to guide him/offer second chances first.

I could attempt to run a 4 minute mile but it's beyond my capabilities

Did nobody listen to both Pearson and Radford recently when they both went out of their way to mention that Shaul featured heavily in their future plans?

I didnt read to much into it either way. Not much of a game to be able to. At 6.1 and 94kgs id disagree at too small. His 94kgs are very ripped carries no extras.
speed hard to tell. When made the intercept I thought same but replay noticed widdop had ten yrds head start on him and he was always looking for his wing.
did notice that when he took a couple of straight runs at defenders he bent the line and popped offloads out.
Hard game to analyse a player though. Odd game really

I agree , so if he is staying who are the players we're having to offload to get this "new outlook"? The ones going apart from Lineham are model pros so are our issues all down to Lineham's disruptive influence? Or are some more on their way?

I don't believe the weights that are attributed to players half the time. My eyes told me he's pretty skinny. Ripped no doubt but no real bulk in there. Also interesting that he's a kg lighter than ben crook if weights are to be believed and he struggled with the physicality in the centres

Ben crooks doesnt remotely carry his muscle. Check his twitter profile pic ive seldom seen a player carry so little body fat. Combined with a 6.1 height hes not skinny by any means. Looked defensively ok too. Had a lot of work today.

HTW is contracted for next year, BTW isn't

My only concern with him is his defense. I'd read that he winces in the collision and needs to toughen up. I'll wait and see how he gets on before I lose any sleep over it though.

I'd still like another back and a hooker. Carlos T. may well end up in the halves before the end of next season.

Don't think either is likely

Can't remember his exact words TBH but my takeaway from the interview was that it was more about matchdays than off the field. So players with different skills/roles rather than different levels of professionalism.

Am pretty exited about our signings plus hopefully naughton Lancaster and shaul will get more game time and bring lots of pace to our game, COYH