FORUMS > Hull FC > All time greatest Hull FC team No.13 - The Loose Forward |
![](images/sitelogos/2022-34.jpg) |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 1468 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| How many nominees do we normally have for a single position, is 5 one too many?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2395 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/34.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
59871_1384965068.gif :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_59871.gif |
|
| Johnny Whiteley for me. His record for Hull and GB, speaks for himself.
I read terry Clawson's autobiography a while back, in it, he tells of his first game against Johnny. Terry was a young player just starting his professional career at Cas? Playing at the Boulevard, against an aging Johnny, Terry put a few big hits on him. At half time, Terry saw Johnny approaching him from the side and expected a nudge at least but Johnny walked up, put his arm around Terry's shoulder and started telling him how to better his game!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gentleman John, for me.
ps. We should start a campaign to get him a Knighthood, Allam might be able to remember who Johnny is then.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 277 | ![](images/sitelogos/forumcells/154.gif) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2018 | May 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
60404_1375165563.png Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and proudly proclaiming `Wow, what a ride`:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_60404.png |
|
| We have had an enormous blessing of loose men. The jury will be out for ever on this one.
Knocker for me, he had it all, Whiteley was incomparable but I was but a young gun then, Crane absolute class, Grimaldi modern day artist and Smith the perfect allrounder.
Tough call for you mate, best of luck.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 2 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2015 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2015 | Jun 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Having started watching fc properly in 2003 Jason Smith is by far the best loose and best player I've seen play for fc! That return game against saints at the kc when he tore them apart, then sat on the bench for a while. Truly amazing what he could do without breaking sweat! A younger generation fc fan.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 6734 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2021 | Jun 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3738_1390436317.gif The referee's indecision is final:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3738.gif |
|
| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "How many nominees do we normally have for a single position, is 5 one too many?'"
yeah its 5 for a single position - 6 for a dual
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 6734 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2021 | Jun 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3738_1390436317.gif The referee's indecision is final:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3738.gif |
|
| Quote: The Judge "We have had an enormous blessing of loose men. The jury will be out for ever on this one.
Knocker for me, he had it all, Whiteley was incomparable but I was but a young gun then, Crane absolute class, Grimaldi modern day artist and Smith the perfect allrounder.
Tough call for you mate, best of luck.'"
luckily i'm only doing the nominees - you lot are voting for the players (i wouldn't be so daft in trying to put together a team myself ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif) )
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 481 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2013 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2015 | Sep 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
69863_1359553342.jpg [b:evlmmvj5][i:evlmmvj5][color=#FF0000:evlmmvj5]If it makes you happy it can't be that bad - Sheryl Crow 1996.[/color:evlmmvj5][/i:evlmmvj5][/b:evlmmvj5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_69863.jpg |
|
| Norton was the best I have seen (with Smith a close second).
But I guess Whiteley has to be named because of what hid did for the club, GB and how he is still regarded as the clubs biggest legend.
I don't see you can have a best team ever Hull side without him it, regardless of position. So Norton will probably end up being the best player not to be in it!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 7735 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2023 | May 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
icons42da_files/5978-4369Kanaryali17-msnicons.gif Nil......Zip.....Nothing....ZERO....0:icons42da_files/5978-4369Kanaryali17-msnicons.gif |
|
| Difficult one this.
Norton was pure class, but I wonder if he could have cut it in the modern game. Norton was head and shoulders above at his time but I do wonder about the fitness levels the average player had back then. Also Norton, for the main, played in an attacking, free flowing teams. If he had a quiet game someone else would have taken charge.
Smith was, in my opinion, a more skillful player and could handle the pace of the modern game. As pointed out by another poster, he single handedly lead the team forward. Downside was his injury record
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 217 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
10540_1323704642.jpg READY WHEN U R NOBBY:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10540.jpg |
|
| I think some fans are looking through rose coloured bins reagds Knocker He was good ,But on skill and being able to control a game Jason Smith was a class above
I have seen knocker play right shart at times and yet Smithy could turn a game single handed Next to him Craney was a one of and even Knocker admired his class
if if comes down to what the guy has done in his carreer Remember who was Sullys centre on his first game , then it has to be Johnny whitely Its a hard call for me We are lucky to have been blessed with supreme loose forwards
My shout has to be Smithy , stand off/scrum half/loose man In my top players i have seen pull on the black and white shirt, best of luck on this one
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5166 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2017 | Mar 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
35457_1309776065.png HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_35457.png |
|
| Been following this and although I won't be voting I am old enough to have watched both Norton and Smith. The 13 shirt has evolved a lot over the years. Norton was to me an off the cuff player who could change games with a touch of magic. Smith on the other hand was a leader of men and the team would follow him into battles you had no right to win.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 6734 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2021 | Jun 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3738_1390436317.gif The referee's indecision is final:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3738.gif |
|
| got a few more comments on the thread so i let it run on for a bit, but here are the 5 nominees for the position of Loose Forward
Johnny Whiteley. Signed for Hull from amateur rugby in 1950 Whiteley went on to make 417 appearances for his only professional club, scoring 156 tries. He became captain in 1956 and kept the role until his retirement. The lynch pin of the great FC side of the late 50s and early 60s he won 2 championships and made 2 losing challenge cup final appearances, and was never dropped. He also featured in 2 ashes winning series for great britain both at home and down under. Went on to coach Hull and also GB to a series win over Australia in 1970.
Mick Crane. Crane was arguably Hull's most mercurial player able to create and score tries from nothing with a slick pass or outrageous dummy, and also possessed a decent kicking game to boot. He played for the club from 1970 until 1977 and returned in 1981 after spells at leeds and hull kr. he retired in 1987 though missed all of the 1985/6 season through 'premature retirement'. whilst often overlooked in favour of steve norton for the loose forward role in the biggest games he plyed his part in several cup wins of the early 80s. played over 350 games for Hull. Also possessed something of a unique attitude to training
Steve Norton. Signed from Castleford under the noses of leeds and bradford, norton went on to become the key player in the great early 80's FC team. One of the great ball playing 13's, norton won all major honours with hull apart from the premiership trophy. as well as a skillful player norton could be a hard man on the field and would take on an enforcer type roll when called upon. played in 3 challenge cup finals and also in the winning 1982 replay team. norton also represented GB on 12 occasions.
Tony Grimaldi. Though he had a relatively short career with hull, TG made a big impression on the post Gateshead merger team in 2000 and 2001 as club captain. He was one of the first of a newer breed of 13's, noted for work rate and high tackle counts, leading the team through inspiration. Took on the onfield task of blending the best of the Gateshead players with the young talent coming through at Hull. Played 60 games scoring 14 tries
Jason Smith. Signed to replace Grimaldi, Smith was already a superstar of the game in Australia where he was one of the players who resisted the advances of superleague, winning the world cup in 1995. Smith was probably the last great ball playing loose man the club have had, possessing left and right cut out passes, leadership skills and an excellent kicking game. He led the team by example, becoming captain in 2002 until his departure in 2004. Only injury prevented him going on to greater things in England. Played 80 games scoring 17 tries.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 6734 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2021 | Jun 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3738_1390436317.gif The referee's indecision is final:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3738.gif |
|
| if you think the nominees are wrong and would like to propose an inclusion or exclusion please speak up on this thread. i will start the voting thread in a couple of days and also link to the other position voting threads which are still open and will remain so until the end of the regular season. I will ask the mods if they can make the voting link thread a sticky once the team nominations are complete. Coming up next will be the coach thread and also the subs (i'm going to have a think about how to do this one as these will most likely come from players who don't win the vote in the main position categories - suggestions welcome)
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1173 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | May 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: the artist "
Johnny Whiteley. The lynch pin of the great FC side of the late 50s and early 60s he won 2 championships and made 2 losing challenge cup final appearances, and was never dropped. He also featured in 2 ashes winning series for great britain both at home and down under. Went on to coach Hull and also GB to a world cup win.'"
The great Hull side of the fifties started it's run in 1955. Between 1955 and 1961 Whiteley played in at least 1 final/year in this period for a total of 8 finals. These comprised 3 League championships, 2 Yorks cups,2 Challenge cups and 1 European Cup. Also in this period he played for GB/England winning 2 ashes series and the World cup. No other Hull player in its history can come anywhere near to this success in a similar time frame.
I cannot recall John coaching an England World cup win but I was in Australia to witness him coaching GB to their last ashes series win in 1970, having also seen him play in the last GB ashes win in England.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 6734 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2021 | Jun 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3738_1390436317.gif The referee's indecision is final:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3738.gif |
|
| Quote: Freddie Miller. "The great Hull side of the fifties started it's run in 1955. Between 1955 and 1961 Whiteley played in at least 1 final/year in this period for a total of 8 finals. These comprised 3 League championships, 2 Yorks cups,2 Challenge cups and 1 European Cup. Also in this period he played for GB/England winning 2 ashes series and the World cup. No other Hull player in its history can come anywhere near to this success in a similar time frame.
I cannot recall John coaching an England World cup win but I was in Australia to witness him coaching GB to their last ashes series win in 1970, having also seen him play in the last GB ashes win in England.'"
Sorry I thought he was coach for the 1972 world cup win. Will ammend
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 5318 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/34.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2022 | Aug 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?: |
|
| .... the coach was Jim Challinor.
|
|
|
![](images/sitelogos/2022-34.jpg) |
|
![](images/sitelogos/2022-34.jpg) |