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| Quote: Sheldon "So due to the momentum rule I could through the ball forward, like a quarter back, and as long as i could run faster than the ball it wouldn't be classed as forward?'"
Not sure if you're taking the mick here or not, but for the record no. That is not what the rule allows for at all. The ball would not travel forward due to the player's momentum/velocity. It would be due to the player propelling the ball forward.
In any case, there is another rule that prevents that. You are not allowed to deliberately throw the ball forward.
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| lets cut to the chase , if the man throws the ball forward then its a forward pass wether he is hussain bolt or not
its forward end of story
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Not sure if you're taking the mick here or not, but for the record no. That is not what the rule allows for at all. The ball would not travel forward due to the player's momentum/velocity. It would be due to the player propelling the ball forward.
In any case, there is another rule that prevents that. You are not allowed to deliberately throw the ball forward.'"
A little.
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| Quote: Barnabus "It's an example, that's all. Read it again, it's not part of the rule, the RFL have added the example on there to help out gormclopses who don't understand what the first line means.'"
It's the definition of the rule. It is in the laws of the game. It takes momentum into account. The rule is what it is due to momentum. It's not there for the sake of it. (For the record, when I say momentum, I'm using RFL definition of the word).
Quote: Barnabus "The players body shape, hands, direction of the pass relative to the pitch is all that counts. That's it.
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Hands me be part of the body, but they aren't THE body. You've used body and hands separately in that sentence, so I'll assume you're looking at them differently. Other than the hands, the rest of the body is irrelevant.
And you clearly still don't understand the rule, as the direction of the pass relative to the pitch is completely irrelevant! It's the reason the rule is there!
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| Quote: Sheldon "A little.'"
Thought so, but some people do actually ask me that question a lot!
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| How on earth do people still not understand the principle of a ball being propelled backwards yet still travelling forward relative to the floor?
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Then there was knowledge
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| I'm not sure I understand all the details of the applicable rule.
But I know a forward pass when I see one.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Just to be awkward as well, the ball doesn't actual travel forward due to the thrower's own momentum. It's due to the thrower's own velocity. But I won't keep going on about it
As a Physicist I could explain why you're wrong there. But I won't. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: OmneFC "So the law is based on common sense and people need to understand how physics works'"
In a nutshell, yes.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "It's the definition of the rule. It is in the laws of the game. It takes momentum into account. The rule is what it is due to momentum. It's not there for the sake of it. (For the record, when I say momentum, I'm using RFL definition of the word).
Hands me be part of the body, but they aren't THE body. You've used body and hands separately in that sentence, so I'll assume you're looking at them differently. Other than the hands, the rest of the body is irrelevant.
And you clearly still don't understand the rule, as the direction of the pass relative to the pitch is completely irrelevant! It's the reason the rule is there!'"
I'm not getting drawn into one of your loooooong drawn out 'debates', which involve a disection of every word, boring the rest of the board to tears. Nobody can be d with that, let's face it.
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| Quote: Barnabus "I'm not getting drawn into one of your loooooong drawn out 'debates', which involve a disection of every word, boring the rest of the board to tears. Nobody can be d with that, let's face it.'"
To be fair, I'd been sat in A&E for hours so I was bored.
But it's not a debate, you was wrong and dug a hole. The final part confirmed your lack of knowledge of the rule. When the rule states "The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground" and you say "The players body shape, hands, direction of the pass relative to the pitch is all that counts", there's a slight contradiction! You are 100% wrong to say that part in bold.
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| Quote: Kosh "As a Physicist I could explain why you're wrong there. But I won't.
I'd happily be corrected. I just don't see how a player's momentum is the reason why the ball goes forward, as if it was then surely the player's weight would affect the ball's forward motion as well (which it doesn't).
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "I'd happily be corrected. I just don't see how a player's momentum is the reason why the ball goes forward, as if it was then surely the player's weight would affect the ball's forward motion as well (which it doesn't).'"
How technical do you want to get?
Nothing continues in motion without momentum, which is the sum of an object's mass and velocity. Prior to release the player and the ball comprise a single system with momentum comprised of their joint mass and velocity; at the moment of release a portion of that momentum is transferred to the ball as the player and ball become two separate systems each with their own momentum. The sum of the momentum of the ball and the momentum of the player equals the momentum of the two together at the moment of release. That's an approximation that works for real-life events at least - the pure physics gets complicated.
It's momentum that keeps the ball moving forward relative to the ground.
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| Quote: Kosh "How technical do you want to get?
I accept that, but my main point was that the player's momentum doesn't affect how far the ball moves. Newton's First Law.
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| I thought the RFL laws of the game had certain rules for certain clubs, silly me, i didnt realise we all played from the same book. I was under the impresion that if you wore a certain type of shirt, or came from a certain team, then you were allowed to throw the ball where ever you liked. I saw Hodgson throw a pass that was at least five yards forward last week, and that seemed to be ok, as the Warrington winger strolled in for a try. I dont get it, its the same in every game, the same teams get the rub of the green, regardless if its forward passes, lying on, hands in, offsides, it will never change and im not suprised Catalan have had enough after the decisions they got against saints, that was a *?**ing joke.
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