Which 2 have spent less time training with the squad than most? heremaia I can accept to a certain extent but he's been training with them for some time. horne has been here forever and seymour best part of a season

This has nothing to do with what I think, this is about how a large proportion of fans will interpret claims made just a few weeks ago and previous after the Leeds game without looking, that our club will finish in the top 4, fans expectations will rise.

Personally I am starting to think our PR is the worst I can remember for some time.

In what way is it worse than the last, say, three years?

Yes

yea it has been in hdm about top 4 finnish, even when we where doing well i thought it was a tad unlikely,but next year

not down hearted by Hull FC tonight...i thought the damage was done in first half....mentioning no names........turner and manu looked careless...so gnelte start trying players like pearce green lineham etc.

turner and manu can go to saints now for me. give nothing, cost us more.

crooks is a star for the future.....unlucky hull....bit more of killer edge and we will be reet

I know squad numbers don't tell the whole story, but they do give a certain amount of indication about who is and isn't first choice, so here are a few things to note about them[iaverage[/i squad number tonight wasn't even between 1 and 17, it was 19. This was significantly influenced by 5 of tonight's squad having numbers over 25; at the start of the season these players were not even close to being in our plans.

I think what we really need now is for the season to end, as it seems quite clear that there are a few in our camp who are pretty much done for the year, and several who just aren't good enough and we need to replace them. I'm as fed up as any with the last few seasons of 'wait until next year', but at least this time I feel like the people running the club actually feel the same and want to put it right. The recruitment announcements need to show that faith is not misplaced.

I asked in what way is it worse.

That in itself is depressing,even if true.

Think Turner is already thinking what he will look like in a red and white shirt.

You really can't use average squad numbers as any kind of indication. What is the average of numbers 1 to 17 added together?

When did we last have an owner and coach that are actually willing and able to take us somewhere?

Yeah that would be right. Gentle inherits pap,is in the process of sorting it but lets not give him chance eh?
Even if we finish in the top eight we havn`t a cat in hells chance of reaching the final with this current set up.

Its always darkest before the dawn,I am sure we are in for better things,just annoying seeing us lurching about at the moment.

Definatley annoying, but this season was always about transition. Sooner we all accept this the better.