I'd be happy if we finished 8th...IF come playoff time we are in top form and look like we are capable of beating anyone.

grinding out wins all year and finishing mid-table is no good if we just flop in the playoffs like we did last season.

We should be expecting our 1st wembley win this year then

At last!....a positive post..........yeeehaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

All fairly reasonable with the exception of the 30 points. Every team will concede 30 a couple of times at least.

Also winning half the games against the sides mentioned would mean just one more win against them than last year. And if it wasn't for Radders I have no doubt we would have achieved that.

But we did have a very favourable draw that year TBH. We put in 1 decent defensive performance to see us home against Bradford, but other than that the only half-decent side we played was Saints. If it wasn't for the combination of Adam Dykes and Matt Peterson's ineptitude under the high ball we may well have lost to Wakey.

You can only play who you have in front of you and we did that to get to the final. That cannot be taken away from RA.

And we cheated

I appreciate that, but my initial point was that you can't win a trophy without a knockout stage and Agar's weakness seems to be devising suitable gameplans against other contenders or being able to change things up when the game's going against you. 2008 was still a similar story, as we lost to the only real contenders we played.

Anyone hear Longy on Humberside? I thought I was feeling negative about the season but he's just as down! Thin squad , problems in the halves if he gets injured , some way behind the top 5 , need a couple more signings , needs the pressure of captaincy off so that he doesn't have to do the off field stuff and can try to keep fit and concentrate on his game. Guess it's pretty realistic stuff really just unusual to hear the unsanitised , unspun , version from an official FC source. Maybe RH recorded it last week before Phelps was announced? If not , he didn't sound very confident.

With respect Tom, I have never really understood that quote.

Going round and beating up little wimps, does not make you a hard man does it?

Good job he never posted his concerns on here he would get slated for being negative

OK, I'll swap the not conceding 30 points in any game with winning at least 1 play off game

What about these comments from Sam Moa in Rugby League World magazine?