To avoid any ambiguity. No sitting on the fence. Don't beat about the bush. Griffin. Do you rate him or not?

Love him
great pace,best defender in the team,immense workrate,a wingers dream centre and no doubt he will be selected in the GB squad for the world cup

I didn’t see the saints game, or the Toulouse game, I’m on the Turkish riviera at present.

Bonaire you can’t assume the mantle of chief executioner, then cry like a child when you are challenged, assuming “that lot” and “gangs” are against you.

And please continue to comment, it’s always a pleasure getting you to reveal more of your feelings and opinions, rather than the droning constant negativity, come on yu ull.

All good points but I doubt he'll be selected for the GB world cup squad

Genuine question

What do people think about Griffin's defensive efforts for the last two Saints tries?

Not good enough, but that full edge was a disaster

Agreed.

I don’t think any of them on that side can be proud of their efforts defending those tries?

Agreed it was poor defence all round not just one individual, is it down to poor prep in training, lack of continuity, or mentally switching off? personally don't think its laziness as in they can't be bothered more lack of or lazy thinking and focus. Whilst we have improved in areas we are still suffering from the bouts of loss of concentration and against teams like St's they punish you as they are switched on and focused for the full 80mins.

Wynne was defensively nieve in that game against Konrad - probably thinking he couldnt skip past him and could rush out. Hurrell is still a good centre, Wynne still learning defensively. Shaul was a mess

there was no effort at all.He was lazy but its Griffin and people would rather blame the others on that edge as you can see

It was poor from Griffin I don't think anyone will deny that but I wouldn't say lack of effort more a case clearly not 100% match fit, for me BH has to take some responsibility for that as the coach who picked the 17. Watching all the tries the first was poor defending and Griffin wasn't even on the field it was another case of players switching off and St's took full advantage of a quick restart and its not as though its something new with us as the Clark try in the Warrington game highlighted the issue massively. The last two tries were poorly defended altogether on that edge not just Griffin alone unless you honestly think Wynne and Shaul defended that effort well?

People are missing the point on Griffin in this case
I am not talking about his poor defense as in missing tackles, i am talking about not even bothering to chase back for Saints last two tries.
The Lomax try he was in motion yet didnt even bother to chase him back to the line and put pressure on him
The second he was just a lazy ass and just stood still
If someone like Wane had been in charge Griffin would be dropped after that lack of effort but this coach is likely to drop Connor Wynne and put Griffin back to left centre which would be a joke and what would it do to the confidence of Wynne knowing you have one average game and your position is given to Griffin who is now well past his sell by date

I get your point about Griffin not chasing Lomax and that is disappointing to see a player give up the chase but I just don’t think he is match fit for whatever reason. Including and playing him is down to the coach. I’d rather see players earn their spot back but that doesn’t seem to be happening currently. For me Wynne & Mitch are both ahead of Griiffin & Shaul or should based on performance

Which begs the question of why are you playing unfit players against Saints or anyone for that matter.

Use the ing reserves to get them match fit Hodgson

Naive

Have you tried imodium?