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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"We have a genuine scrum half in the u19's but he isn't good enough for SL yet either. Do you think that radford would leave miller out if he wasn't the best option?'"
I think there's a little bit of proving a point regarding Miller, he was Gentle's blue eyed boy after all. I also think there's sentiment towards Horne, like he has towards Yeaman.
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| I just don't buy this "Miller is our only natural scrum half" thing. For me Miller and Rankin are very similar, more so than Rankin and Horne. Miller is a lot like Rankin in that he is a little more off the cuff and likes to step and attack the line. Of the 3 I think Horne is more like the stereotypical SH, but really the only "proper" scrum half at the club is HTW.
And besides, what is a "proper" scrum half? This isn't 1983 and scrum halves don't need to be 5'4, stand at first receiver and shout at everyone. They just need to be able to unlock a defence. Positions are so interchangeable these days that it doesn't matter. If I hadn't seen a team sheet and didn't know the players and someone asked me who was playing 7 last night, I would have said Westerman.
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| Quote Mr. Zucchini Head="Mr. Zucchini Head"I just don't buy this "Miller is our only natural scrum half" thing. For me Miller and Rankin are very similar, more so than Rankin and Horne. Miller is a lot like Rankin in that he is a little more off the cuff and likes to step and attack the line. Of the 3 I think Horne is more like the stereotypical SH, but really the only "proper" scrum half at the club is HTW.
And besides, what is a "proper" scrum half? This isn't 1983 and scrum halves don't need to be 5'4, stand at first receiver and shout at everyone. They just need to be able to unlock a defence. Positions are so interchangeable these days that it doesn't matter. If I hadn't seen a team sheet and didn't know the players and someone asked me who was playing 7 last night, I would have said Westerman.'"
There's a difference between running AT the line like Rankin/Horne and taking the ball TO the line like Miller does.
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| Quote *1865*="*1865*"There's a difference between running AT the line like Rankin/Horne and taking the ball TO the line like Miller does.'"
I'm not sure Miller does take the ball to the line though, all the good things I remember him doing have been when he goes himself. When he does try to take it to the line his passing is often poor.
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| Sooner or later one of Horne or Rankin will get injured and then Miller will have to play. Let's hope his confidence isn't totally shot by then knowing his coach doesn't rate him, just like Seymour knew Gentle never wanted him.
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"Sooner or later one of Horne or Rankin will get injured and then Miller will have to play. Let's hope his confidence isn't totally shot by then[u knowing his coach doesn't rate him[/u, just like Seymour knew Gentle never wanted him.'"
How on earth do you know this to be true? Miller was in the 19 so Radford was obviously pondering on his final selection throughout the week. Should everyone not selected to play assume the coach doesn't 'rate them'?
Miller will get his chance for sure, and it may not take an injury to Horne or Rankin to ensure that happens. Miller needs to prove he's good enough is all.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"How on earth do you know this to be true? Miller was in the 19 so Radford was obviously pondering on his final selection throughout the week. Should everyone not selected to play assume the coach doesn't 'rate them'?
Miller will get his chance for sure, and it may not take an injury to Horne or Rankin to ensure that happens. Miller needs to prove he's good enough is all.'"
I don't know it to be true but it's my honest and genuine belief. Do you have a problem with that?
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"Sooner or later one of Horne or Rankin will get injured and then Miller will have to play. Let's hope his confidence isn't totally shot by then knowing his coach doesn't rate him, just like Seymour knew Gentle never wanted him.'"
Garbage, there is no evidence to suggest that Radford doesn't rate Miller just because he wasn't selected for the first game.
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"I don't know it to be true but it's my honest and genuine belief. Do you have a problem with that?'"
But why do you believe it so early in the season? Why would he put Miller in the 19? I have no problem with anyone's opinion, but a comparison with the Seymour situation seems a bit wild with no evidence.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"But why do you believe it so early in the season? Why would he put Miller in the 19? I have no problem with anyone's opinion, but a comparison with the Seymour situation seems a bit wild with no evidence.'"
It's common knowledge that Gentle did not rate Seymour who was Agar's signing and Miller was Gentle's protege so maybe that colours Radford's view of him?
The way Miller was used during the friendlies ie behind a pack of kids suggests that Radford had already decided that Horne and Rankin who played in a stronger team would be his first choice pairing
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| From what I saw of Rankin in the derby he and Horne were my first choice pairing for the start of the season, too. Doesn't mean I don't think Miller will go on to do well, and doesn't mean Radford doesn't rate him either. Let's not forget Radford was Gentle's assistant.
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| Miller isn't good enough. He will get his chance through injuries throughout the season and some on here who clearly have short memories of his performances last season will see that!! Radords got it right, Hornes contribution is only ever realised by some supporters when he isn't playing, take last year for example.
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