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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"Sorry if that was confusing but another RL bail out was not referring to London's past but rather what has happened at Bradford and what appears to have happened at Wakefield.'"
We were bailed out ourselves not too long ago too. Like us back then, London have been grossly mismanaged over the past few seasons, since Leneghan left them.
As a sport, we have to get away from the 'they have no fans, let's cut them off' mentality, and help one of our own if we can. What would we have done if the RFL did that to us back in 1999? We were languishing in the bottom 2 for a couple of seasons, didn't have great attendances, bad stadium etc. Who would've missed us?
The amateur game and participation in schools has never been higher in London, and a lot of that is down to the London club. Without a SL club there, we are effectively cutting off a large proportion of our talent pool over the coming years by removing that 'pathway' for players to become pro. Players like McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Clubb, Sarginson & Dixon would have effectively been lost.
If they have to be 'bailed out' by the RFL, so be it. But, it should be done on certain conditions, making sure they don't just give money to the failed management to flitter away.
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"Sorry if that was confusing but another RL bail out was not referring to London's past but rather what has happened at Bradford and what appears to have happened at Wakefield.'"
No confusion - perfectly clear.
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| Sad to see any club go to the wall, but they've been on borrowed time since Lenaghan left. Chronically poor management and non-existent marketing was only ever going to end badly.
It will be a shame if all the work on grass roots RL in London goes to waste, so IMO any solution should be focused on ensuring that the schools/amateur game doesn't suffer.
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| Quote Errlee Berd="Errlee Berd"We were bailed out ourselves not too long ago too. Like us back then, London have been grossly mismanaged over the past few seasons, since Leneghan left them.
As a sport, we have to get away from the 'they have no fans, let's cut them off' mentality, and help one of our own if we can. What would we have done if the RFL did that to us back in 1999? We were languishing in the bottom 2 for a couple of seasons, didn't have great attendances, bad stadium etc. Who would've missed us?
The amateur game and participation in schools has never been higher in London, and a lot of that is down to the London club. Without a SL club there, we are effectively cutting off a large proportion of our talent pool over the coming years by removing that 'pathway' for players to become pro. Players like McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Clubb, Sarginson & Dixon would have effectively been lost.
If they have to be 'bailed out' by the RFL, so be it. But, it should be done on certain conditions, making sure they don't just give money to the failed management to flitter away.'"
This is the only argument the 'pro-London' lobby have is the effect on the amateur game in the capital if London where to fold. How many young players are missing the chance of progression in Cumbria without a SL team in their area. Hundreds of amateur clubs and thousands of youngsters playing the game there.
No matter how you try to spin it, London in all its different guises has being a complete and utter failure imo
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| Quote VerbalKint="VerbalKint"This is the only argument the 'pro-London' lobby have is the effect on the amateur game in the capital if London where to fold. How many young players are missing the chance of progression in Cumbria without a SL team in their area. Hundreds of amateur clubs and thousands of youngsters playing the game there.
No matter how you try to spin it, London in all its different guises has being a complete and utter failure imo'"
It depends on your criteria of what makes a club a success?
Personally, a club who contribute to vastly increasing participation numbers in the country and the talent pool for SL clubs is pretty important. Losing London would have a far bigger negative impact on the game than losing say Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes or Salford.
They've fallen on hard times, terrible management and ownership for the past 6 years. We've been there too in the past, we were bailed out. I'm not sure why, generally, RL fans have such apathy towards London.
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| Quote Errlee Berd="Errlee Berd"It depends on your criteria of what makes a club a success?
Personally, a club who contribute to vastly increasing participation numbers in the country and the talent pool for SL clubs is pretty important[i. Losing London would have a far bigger negative impact on the game than losing say Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes or Salford. [/i
They've fallen on hard times, terrible management and ownership for the past 6 years. We've been there too in the past, we were bailed out. I'm not sure why, generally, RL fans have such apathy towards London.'"
Don't agree with that at all. but hey its all about opinions. I would imagine the vast majority of Londoners would not even no a RL team exists so I don't think they will miss it when it goes.
Where as most teams up here are part of the community, they have longstanding routes, London have had that many name changes, venue changes etc that they have no chance at all to do that. When are we going to realise that south of Yorkshire no one is the slightest bit interested in RL. The national press certainly arnt.
Only on Sunday the papers carried 5-6 pages of englands union international against NZ where Englands WC game managed about half a page towards the back of the sports sections. Sad but true.
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| London have to go the amount of money pumped into them by the rl and various aussies clubs and yet they still cant survive, its about time them in red hall woke up and smelt the roses and removed their franchise and gave it to someone like Featherstone or Halifax
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| Quote VerbalKint="VerbalKint"Don't agree with that at all. but hey its all about opinions. I would imagine the vast majority of Londoners would not even no a RL team exists so I don't think they will miss it when it goes.
Where as most teams up here are part of the community, they have longstanding routes, London have had that many name changes, venue changes etc that they have no chance at all to do that. When are we going to realise that south of Yorkshire no one is the slightest bit interested in RL. The national press certainly arnt.
Only on Sunday the papers carried 5-6 pages of englands union international against NZ where Englands WC game managed about half a page towards the back of the sports sections. Sad but true.'"
I wasn't making a point on the effect London have on the media in London (I agree with your point regarding the media), it was surrounding participation and the talent pool to pick from. The other things you mention about people not being interested South of Yorkshire is flatcap nonsense.
You mentioned that London have failed, but what would be regarded as success? What criteria are you using to class a club a success or failure? One of their failures is not finding a permanent home, definately, but they have successes too, particularly in grassroots RL, which no other club would be able to achieve.
Like I said before, I don't understand the ill-feeling towards London, why RL fans generally want to see them fail.
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| Quote easthullairliebird="easthullairliebird"London have to go the amount of money pumped into them by the rl and various aussies clubs and yet they still cant survive, its about time them in red hall woke up and smelt the roses and removed their franchise and gave it to someone like Featherstone or Halifax'"
Plenty of ignorance in this post. If you could answer me some questions:
When did the RFL pump any additional money into London, other than their proportion of SKY money that every club gets?
Other than Brisbane, who are the other Australian cubs your alluding to who have pumped money in?
Why is it a problem that Brisbane invested in the London club 20 years ago?
Should the RFL help bail out Bradford, Keighley, Rochdale, Salford, HULL etc etc, and not help out London?
What could Feath or Halifax possibly add to the competition?
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| Quote Errlee Berd="Errlee Berd":WALL:
Plenty of ignorance in this post. If you could answer me some questions:
When did the RFL pump any additional money into London, other than their proportion of SKY money that every club gets?
Other than Brisbane, who are the other Australian cubs your alluding to who have pumped money in?
Why is it a problem that Brisbane invested in the London club 20 years ago?
Should the RFL help bail out Bradford, Keighley, Rochdale, Salford, HULL etc etc, and not help out London?
What could Feath or Halifax possibly add to the competition?
Thanks'"
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| I demand my annual p!ss-up in London!
Got two last year but have erased the second one from myemory although fortunately I can't remember much about it. 
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