if the player is sat on his assole wondering what day it is after a barbender of a shoulder charge it does!!!!!
so directly attacking the ball carrying arm with the shoulder to make the player spill the ball isnt allowed either then,because that happens in every single game....

like i said, unmanageable and impossible to ref like it has been in union

Listen i am all for the banning of the coathanger and should be an instant red card in my opinion as i personally saw that end a fellas career in the game, also banning feet first on the line tackles from full backs to prevent a score is a straight red in my book as are a number of other things, but this is a game built on collisions , that collision is the backbone of many players whole technique like sam burgess etc, how many times are we gonna stop the game to revue just because a player has been cleaned out FFS
its a collision game and thats all there is to it , the bigger the hit the better is the whole point of the tackle game and nothing else, never mind all this arm wrap malarkey as in union, sometimes that is simply impossible

If you regard what you've written on the amateur game a 'contribution', then you've clearly never played yourself(?).

well that stopped that conversation in its tracks

Agreed.

You're more likely to clash heads with a team mate and be knocked out when tackling an opponent than get hurt in this way. Maybe we should only allow one player in the tackle.

A shoulder charge [idoes[/i stop a player, and, as in many cases, can cause the opposition to knock the ball on. Like has been suggested, it's not the action that should be outlawed, it's the way it is dealt with. If the hit is directly to the head (which they rarely are) then the bans should be much more strict.

I've seen plenty of shoulder charges that havent stopped a player, they may have stopped them temporarily, but as they saying goes "they can't run without their feet", give me a properball and all tackle anyday.

I've seen plenty of tackles that haven't stopped a player.

It's a step closer to union as far as I'm concerned. It's great seeing big hits going in, both the players and the fans love it.

Do people think this is getting banned on a wim?

Since when do players know what's good for them?

They only stop the player if it is a successful charge and very few are imo. Great as a spectator to watch though when they come off and some of Moa's were great to watch.

At the same point where posters on an internet messageboard were best placed to referee?

There will be reasons this has been looked into, possibly insurers, medical advice, all manner of things. Having had a friend lose a son through "brain rock" as the result of a collision (admittedly in a car) I think it's time this was banned, it's not two fat herberts colliding at 5 miles an hour having waddled through an acre of mud anymore, hasn't been for some time, th pace of the game now means a badly timed challenge could paralyse someone, maybe we should play the ast 10 minutes of each half with some lions on the pitch, or each side is allowed a sniper in the stands?

We are agreeing Mate - As far as I am concerned a shoulder charge is a Lazy way of playing and also didnt Westerman hurt himself in one game last season. You dont need to shoulder charge to give a big hit as you say 'properball and all'