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Quote: VerbalKint "quote "When their 17 are playing to the best of their ability against the 17 we had out, quality will always win out.''

Like Paul said, we were beaten before they took the field, mentally totally ill prepared imo, i think th coach, the players, everyone had written this game off as a damage limitation exercise, you cannot go into games against the likes of Wigan with that attitude.'"


How can you say that we looked beat before the game even started. From what i saw, the players that took the field tried whatever they could. At times Wigan didn't know what had hit them. We had some good sets in defence and a few decent attacking sets.

We were beaten by a bigger, stronger, quicker and smarter team. It's that simple. Gentle did exactle what he could to put the best team out as possible.

As someone mentioned above, Gentle can't be blamed for the lack of youth developement over the last few years, the lads that are being tried by Gentle are giving their all, but just aren't quite at the grade yet, not really from any fault of their own.

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Quote: Rock God X "I don't see why there even has to be 'blame'. If you take 9 first team players out of any side in our sort of position (or higher, even), then put them against one of the top two sides in the competition who are fully fit and rested, you would almost certainly get a similar sort of scoreline. And as I said, it's not just the players that were out, but those who were playing who weren't fully fit. These are not just 'mitigating circumstances', but compelling reasons for us taking a bit of a pasting. There's no 'blame' to apportion, as far as I'm concerned.'"



I wasn't trying to lay blame as such just that everything he does and says it met with praise and yesterday was a day when there could have been gentle critcism. We are allowed to ask the odd question and challenge the odd decision.

I have no worries long term as I have already said in my original post but even allowing for everything, yesterday was still very poor.

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Quote: PAUL M "I wasn't trying to lay blame as such '"


Then, you'll have to forgive me. I was momentarily confused when you said

I would disagree. I don't think there's anything Gentle could have done differently yesterday to prevent the defeat or even to noticeably alter the scoreline.

Quote: PAUL M "We are allowed to ask the odd question and challenge the odd decision.'"


No one has said otherwise. But equally, other posters are allowed to challenge your criticism if they feel it is unjustified.

Quote: PAUL M "I have no worries long term as I have already said in my original post but even allowing for everything, yesterday was still very poor.'"


Again, I don't see it. Wigan in that form are difficult to contain with a full strength side. With nine first teamers out and a few guys playing whilst injured, it's easy to see how things ended as they did.

It's quite possible that an in-form Wigan could have come to the KC and beat our first string by, say, 20 points. We lost by 44 yesterday, and it's easy to see where the 'extra' 24 points came from.

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no first choice half backs, virtually no 1st team centres, down on 2 front line props and facing the most in form team in the league (hudds apart). reckon gentle more or less sacked the game off, better to take the beating then get down to 2 weeks off the get players back, and this bit is important, get players back who are fit enough to play. its pretty obvious that there are players who have played the last 3 or 4 games not fully fit. this is now the chance to get some rehab going

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We'll see how far we've come in a couple of weeks against Leeds. Gentle himself as said he expects around 6 or 7 frontline players to be back, if that's the case then we have no excuses. It will be interesting to see how we go.

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Quote: the artist "no first choice half backs, virtually no 1st team centres, down on 2 front line props and facing the most in form team in the league (hudds apart). reckon gentle more or less sacked the game off, better to take the beating then get down to 2 weeks off the get players back, and this bit is important, get players back who are fit enough to play. its pretty obvious that there are players who have played the last 3 or 4 games not fully fit. this is now the chance to get some rehab going'"

Dont't think it's "sacking the game off" , what else could he do? he played the 17 players available to him , there may have been a couple of choices but essentially it's who's left standing. He said at the start that the squad wasn't good enough to compete at the top and yesterday proved that it lacked depth and in all liklihood quality. Something he has said he will address.

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Quote: Rock God X "Then, you'll have to forgive me. I was momentarily confused when you said


I did think more than once about posting this thread.

Yesterday was the first time we have not competed under Gentle's reign and there were major factors such as injured players, players not fully fit and too many young players in at once. I have alluded to all this and did state in the very first post that I wasn't trying to have a go at the guy. Just merely saying that despite the circumstances the performance wasn't good enough. We were beaten from the very first set yesterday and should have stayed in the game longer.

It's more an observation that an out and out criticism. Against Hudds in both games were lost convincingly but we did compete and were in the game for long periods. Yesterday was different. I am not worried though and have complete faith in Gentle and what he is doing.

I have noticed though that since AP/Gentle came in people don't like questions being asked whether it's new signings or any other issues. In the interest of balance I don't think it's wrong to say we were very poor even accounting for the mitigating circumstances.

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Quote: PAUL M "

I have noticed though that since AP/Gentle came in people don't like questions being asked whether it's new signings or any other issues. '"


You have? People like who?

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Quote: ChrisH "Dont't think it's "sacking the game off" , what else could he do? he played the 17 players available to him , there may have been a couple of choices but essentially it's who's left standing. He said at the start that the squad wasn't good enough to compete at the top and yesterday proved that it lacked depth and in all liklihood quality. Something he has said he will address.'"


perhaps sacking it off was the wrong phrase, i meant not going at the game like a bull in a china shop and getting even more injuries - i know injuries can occur anywhere and at any time, but i think gentle was happy with a conservative game yesterday

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Quote: Chris71 "Have to agree and say it can't be classed as a failing at all. Admittedly its not great to have to put players out there that are not 100% but its no good putting young lads into a team just for the sake of it especially with so many inexperienced players already in the 17.
Yesterday needed a little more experience out there but unfortunately we simply didn't have enough which comes back to the under investment in the youth set up that Pearson spoke about and the fact as fans we have all criticised the previous Coach for not giving some of the youth a chance.

No matter what we did yesterday was always going to be a hammering as the players have simply giving everything and more in what have been very tough fixtures. The weekend break will help to recharge the batteries and hopefully get some much needed players back for the fixture with Leeds.

Think to say it was a failing on Gentles part in harsh'"


Got to agree with all these sentiments:

I cannot believe that some would prefer to revert back to Agars ways of moving players around?

As for Martin, sometimes you have to give the players the call and trust their judgement, if fit enough or not.

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Quote: Rock God X "You have? People like who?'"


Yes I have. No individuals, more a consensus of not wanting/daring to to criticise.

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Quote: PAUL M "Yes I have. No individuals, more a consensus of not wanting/daring to to criticise.'"


I think you mean people giving him time and not making daft comments when we're clearly struggling with injuries etc. Gentle hasn't been here long, you were one of the key protagonists telling us to "give Agar time" when we could clearly see he was out of his depth, and yet you don't seem prepared to afford Gentle that same opportunity.

double standards

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Quote: Suzie "We'll see how far we've come in a couple of weeks against Leeds. Gentle himself as said he expects around 6 or 7 frontline players to be back, if that's the case then we have no excuses. It will be interesting to see how we go.'"


Will those 6 or 7 be match fit?

Some have been out quite a while, so they might not be up to speed.

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If we know that our players have knocks and where, the Wigan players would have and target the players and areas. I notice young Ben got a few "welcome to super league" hits. He handled them superbly. Well done to him although I bet his ears are still ringing.

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Quote: Standee "I think you mean people giving him time and not making daft comments when we're clearly struggling with injuries etc. Gentle hasn't been here long, you were one of the key protagonists telling us to "give Agar time" when we could clearly see he was out of his depth, and yet you don't seem prepared to afford Gentle that same opportunity.

double standards'"



So you've no read my posts then, standard! My backing for Gentle could not be more than it is, 100%.

I wasn't pro-Agar I just didn't think he was to blame for everything and didn't like things like being abused for how he spoke. I said before he was appointed I didn't want him and I said he should be sacked time after time.

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