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| Quote: Sheldon "What should they talk about?
Maybe to check their welfare but I wouldn't them talking tactics or performance.'"
They can certainly address the playing squad and tell them that perforances aren't acceptable in the same way they could speak to the retail or marketing departments if performance in those areas wasn't acceptable
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| Quote: Monko "I'm more than happy with the BOD business management and how they generally run the club off field. ATEOTD we are a financially secure club and making a profit year on year. This in the long term has to be a massive benefit to the club and leaves us in a very strong position. We have not seen success on the field in recent years and we can all rattle off the reasons why. Perhaps the BOD want a financially secure club as a priority and are building towards the future and rightly or wrongly are putting this before on field success. I think you need both to be a successful club and without both the club would fail. Brief success on the field followed by crippling debts...no thanks. I want to see success on the field and want Hull FC to be a high rolling top four team competing each year and winning silverware. If this means waiting several seasons before the powers that be make it happen then so be it, I'll bite my tongue. Maybe those several years are over (after the last three!!!) and the signing of a young aussie halfback and some other decent signings are now the BOD's plan to have a tilt at success in the coming season(s).'"
Which is all well and good but I don't believe that the club can continue to have financial success in the long term without a reasonable level of performance on the field of play. the drop in crowds this season is demonstration of that
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| Quote: Irregular Hoops "It's nice you know how much I earn. You never actually answered any of my points about the help Rovers have received in the past, but not to worry. I'll let you go back to turning every thread into an anti Agar one.'"
Why do I need to respond to the points? they're in the public domain and everyone knows about them. they're not an indication of hudgell's business acumen, except maybe showing that he is astute in getting help from wherever he can. I'm quite happy for you to continue to bring up the anti agar stuff BTW so keep it up
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| Quote: Irregular Hoops "After the recent goings on over on the dark side, it did bring into focus for me what a strong club we are off the field.
Whilst many are still unconvinced about Agar (including me), you have to give credit to the B.O.D. in their support of the coach.
Even though we have had some very poor results over the last couple of years, I can't imagine any of our club officials going into the changing room to tell the players their performances are not good enough. Morgan has one average season & the knives are out from everywhere.
What I think it does do, is give a bad impression of their club to any prospective coach or players.
Contrast that to Hull signing Seymour, after Berrigan recommended the club. I'm sure Fitz will do the same whenever he returns.
Whilst we have our gripes about the club at times, at least we act with dignity, & in a professional way.'"
This has been the great difference between the two boards since Rovers crawled into Super League.
The "little man playing big fish in small pond" syndrome demonstrated by Hudgell when he barged into the dressing room should not be a surprise given his continuous behavioural lapses whilst blinded by his green cataracts when it comes to Hull.
Banning the Airlie Bird; Cookiegate; the "sign them anyway whether we need them or not" Briscoe-Wheeldon-Hodgson-Hall recruitments; continuous digs in the program notes; the Mail article claiming Rovers have moved beyond petty backstabbing of their rivals even though the majority of the article was a perfect example of haw to do just that.... the list goes on and on.
Away from Hull, Masongate; dispensationtasticitus; the attempts to control the playing side of things; unwanted recruitment over the coach's head...
On Sunday he overstepped the mark with regards to Morgan's position. Justine was completely undermined in front of his players by Hudgell's dressing-room debacle, and the subsequent public announcements that the coach's position is under review has all but made Morgan's position untenable. No other club would expose their coach to this sort of unnecessary pressure - it is only making the already difficult position for Justine ten times worse.
Why do it? Morgan's contract is by all accounts very lucrative, and he's got another year and a half left on it. It's gonna cost a bit to get rid, and I bet there's not much of Mr Allam's loan left. The easiest way out would be for Morgan to quit...
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "It's clear you know nothing about business so there's no point in talking to you about it. Hudgell probably makes more money from his legal practice a year than you make in 10 years. He is a very astute business man. His love of rovers has cost him many hundreds of thousands of pounds. You can question the common sense in pumping money in but he's taken them from nowhere to a guaranteed SL licence. He's levereged support from wherever he can. I don't like him but I wish we had someone at our club with his passion.
Anyway, it's tiresome having a discussion with someone who doesn;t elieve we have the right coach but applauds the BOD for not sacking him'"
Hudgell a business man? His "business" is the ambulance chasing fantasy world that compensation lawyers have constructed. Now he is very good at this parasitic practice which contributes little but harm and unnecessary expense to society; but a real businessman? One who provides real goods and services and has to deal with real costs and consequences and not playing games with bogus threats relying on questionable word games? When it comes to something like real business at Dobbins, ie attracting revenue to sustainably fund a team that is winning honours his record is hardly brilliant.
Hull's BOD can maybe be questioned on what they reckon is a successful recruitment policy for coaching and playing staff but I'm sure that they know that a successful playing record is very much part of the equation and that they are only harming themselves if they want a boring, losing team. One thing that is hard to criticise is their overall professionalism. If there was a "Club Hull", charges for watching training sessions, charges for Hull FCTV, blatant begging to fund junior team expenses, a recruitment policy where the coach is over ridden if it is thought that the signing would upset the supporters of one particular team and a chairman who reckons that they have the right to give half time team talks then there would be plenty of reasons to slate them.
Thankfully such grubby practices are left to a "passionate" embittered gnome at another club.
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| Quote: Erik the not red "Hudgell a business man? His "business" is the ambulance chasing fantasy world that compensation lawyers have constructed. Now he is very good at this parasitic practice which contributes little but harm and unnecessary expense to society; but a real businessman? One who provides real goods and services and has to deal with real costs and consequences and not playing games with bogus threats relying on questionable word games? When it comes to something like real business at Dobbins, ie attracting revenue to sustainably fund a team that is winning honours his record is hardly brilliant.
Hull's BOD can maybe be questioned on what they reckon is a successful recruitment policy for coaching and playing staff but I'm sure that they know that a successful playing record is very much part of the equation and that they are only harming themselves if they want a boring, losing team. One thing that is hard to criticise is their overall professionalism. If there was a "Club Hull", charges for watching training sessions, charges for Hull FCTV, blatant begging to fund junior team expenses, a recruitment policy where the coach is over ridden if it is thought that the signing would upset the supporters of one particular team and a chairman who reckons that they have the right to give half time team talks then there would be plenty of reasons to slate them.
Thankfully such grubby practices are left to a "passionate" embittered gnome at another club.'"
Whilst I agree in principle,the bit about signing players over Morgan`s head has actually blown up in his face.What goes round comes round.
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| Quote: barton baird "Whilst I agree in principle,the bit about signing players over Morgan`s head has actually blown up in his face.What goes round comes round.'"
Mild Rarely says he doesn't believe in Karma, although there's so many examples of it recently from the east Hull club.
Will Hudgell go as a result, though? Nah. He'll try and make Justine do his bidding for one last time. The Karma will come when Justine's Cas team knocks Rovers out of the play-offs next season.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "They can certainly address the playing squad and tell them that perforances aren't acceptable in the same way they could speak to the retail or marketing departments if performance in those areas wasn't acceptable'"
They should talk to the coach about that.
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| Quote: Erik the not red "Hudgell a business man? His "business" is the ambulance chasing fantasy world that compensation lawyers have constructed. Now he is very good at this parasitic practice which contributes little but harm and unnecessary expense to society; but a real businessman? One who provides real goods and services and has to deal with real costs and consequences and not playing games with bogus threats relying on questionable word games? When it comes to something like real business at Dobbins, ie attracting revenue to sustainably fund a team that is winning honours his record is hardly brilliant.
Hull's BOD can maybe be questioned on what they reckon is a successful recruitment policy for coaching and playing staff but I'm sure that they know that a successful playing record is very much part of the equation and that they are only harming themselves if they want a boring, losing team. One thing that is hard to criticise is their overall professionalism. If there was a "Club Hull", charges for watching training sessions, charges for Hull FCTV, blatant begging to fund junior team expenses, a recruitment policy where the coach is over ridden if it is thought that the signing would upset the supporters of one particular team and a chairman who reckons that they have the right to give half time team talks then there would be plenty of reasons to slate them.
Thankfully such grubby practices are left to a "passionate" embittered gnome at another club.'"
I didn't say i liked the man or his practices (In fact I have a couple of mates who have been on the sly end of some of them), however I do admire the way he has dragged the dobbins out of the gutter and I do wish there was a real passionate lifelong Hull fan on our board.
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| Quote: Sheldon "They should talk to the coach about that.'"
I'm sure they do
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| Supporters would make the worst people to have in charge of a club, for the simple fact we are too emotionally involved.
We'd probably struggle to hold a conversation with a coach or player if they had got something wrong or had a bad game. I don't really think the B.o.D are doing that bad of a job, in fact if they had recruited a top class coach then I would say the last few seasons they would have being perfect. Making money off the field, spending transfer fee's and a team that is capable of making finals.
Ultimately though in sport winning is everything and if you ain't got the personal to do the job on the field then your on a hiding to none. Supporters don't want profits they want trophies.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I didn't say i liked the man or his practices (In fact I have a couple of mates who have been on the sly end of some of them), however I do admire the way he has dragged the dobbins out of the gutter and I do wish there was a real passionate lifelong Hull fan on our board.'" i agree with that statement but ive also said for a few years now that he will end up being rovers downfall in the long run if things carry on as they are. He might run a tight practice, but on the rugby side of things as a business apart from the on the field succsess i think he has let himself down.
Losses are getting bigger year on year, another loan of allam albiet interest free is still another debt, masongate, cookiegate must have cost him a few quid, his blatent hate for hull fc cant do him much good and as he stated a few years back he needs to hit 10,000 average for a break even figure? he sure didnt play his cards close to his chest
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| Quote: BlackNwhite "i agree with that statement but ive also said for a few years now that he will end up being rovers downfall in the long run if things carry on as they are. He might run a tight practice, but on the rugby side of things as a business apart from the on the field succsess i think he has let himself down.
Losses are getting bigger year on year, another loan of allam albiet interest free is still another debt, masongate, cookiegate must have cost him a few quid, his blatent hate for hull fc cant do him much good and as he stated a few years back he needs to hit 10,000 average for a break even figure? he sure didnt play his cards close to his chest'"
He's playing with the cards he's been dealt and is taking a big gamble with their future. personally, I hope they go pop as I hate the feckers. I merely wish we had someone who loves Hull as much as he loves rovers on the board
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| Quote: pmarrow "Supporters would make the worst people to have in charge of a club, for the simple fact we are too emotionally involved.
We'd probably struggle to hold a conversation with a coach or player if they had got something wrong or had a bad game. I don't really think the B.o.D are doing that bad of a job, in fact if they had recruited a top class coach then I would say the last few seasons they would have being perfect. Making money off the field, spending transfer fee's and a team that is capable of making finals.
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wigan and warrington are prime examples of a supporter running the club successfully on and off the field. At saints, mcmanus has turned around a dire financial situation whilst keeping the club competitive and putting together a funding package which will see them move into the best club owned ground in the league and will transform their finances.
Running a club which is successful on and off the field isn't mutually exclusive, nor does being a supporter mean you can't make good business decisions
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| theres no getting away from the fact he,s a knee jerking drama queen.passionate or not!!!!
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