I defended Hall to the hilt. Today was the last straw for me. Out.

i'm sure once agar goes you'll see all of the players step up. It cant be easy playing 5 drives and a kick when you know as a player that it doesn't work

Actually with all the injuries we have if we actually did play 5 drives and a kick but did it properly with a hot chase and fast defensive line we would do better. As it is we don't have any structure at all and rely instead on off the cuff garbage which finishes with the likes of Hall, and others, coughing up possession by chucking the ball forward or straight into touch. Either that or give it to Willie and see how he gets on.

indeed, I think we could all accept playing 5 drives and a kick rugby with the injury list we have, if it entailed 5 good drives, and a good kick and chase...

not 3/4 limp drives (the ones not carried by Moa, Manu or O'Meley our only meter makers) a dire kick and no chase.

Before the injuries we weren't playing 5 drives and a kick. We were at least trying to move the ball about. Since the injuries we have [itried[/i to go back to it, but as Staffs FC points out we aren't doing it right.

There are many, many things wrong with Agar's coaching. A fixation with 5 drives is not one of them.

i disagree. We've played a boring 5 drive and a kick type of game for a couple of years now imo both under agar and sharp. How much decent ball does our back line get?

Agar gets a lot of the blame but the players whose poor defence and shocking handling (How many errors have we made in ther last two games?) must take a big part of the blame too.

It would need Jesus himself to improve Craig Hall to the standard required for a top side at the moment.

Are we a top side at the moment??we would struggle in NL1 with agars super team,,lets get a grip people we will never be that team with agar in charge

I was takign about us, some think if Hall moves to a another top club Saints a under a good coach he will become a superstar, just not sure he is god enough for SL, too many issues in his game.

Briscoe has played all his career under Sharp and Agar and is progressing nicley.

Some of Hall's issues may be down to coaching but maybe he just isnt dood enough, I have seen loads of players who look outstanding at youth level, but can never make that step up.

Briscoe has flaws as well and should have been dropped along with hall but wont happen because of his postcode.

Ever since Cooke left we've had no scrum half in most games, and when we've had a scrum half we've often had no stand off. How much decent ball do you [iexpect[/i our backs to get under those circumstances?

On the few occasions where we've had a halfback pairing of even moderate ability we have played some attractive rugby.

The fixation with 5 drives and a kick exists largely in the minds of the fans, and is more of a reaction to a lack of creative personnel than a deliberate tactic. We simply haven't had the team or the skills to play anything else for the majority of the last 2/3 seasons. The bigger problem is that we can't even do THAT properly.

OK we know you arent a big fan of Briscoe, you mention it enough



High ball is an issue, but seems to improve on that, haven't cost us a try in recent games?

Far better all round that Hall, better go forward and defence.

Would be one of the first names on my team sheet at the moment.