Yes it certainly was, just the difference in the kick/chase alone between us and Salford was so telling as to where we are as a team and a team that wanted to put things right.

Last has no option but to drop certain players and now he has to show and prove his mettle by doing just that regardless of their name. If they want to be in the 17 they have to prove they are worthy of a place in the 17 and quite frankly there weren't many that did that on Sunday. Hopefully if Last is true to his word and drops certain players out the 17 and not just to the bench they may then realise they have to put a shift in for the team every minute of the game.

Our line speed and ball retention has to be improved massively against Cas.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.york ... 7327%3famp Honest words from the legend that is Gaz Ellis. Sad he feels he’s not influencing games any more.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.york ... 7327%3famp Honest words from the legend that is Gaz Ellis. Sad he feels he’s not influencing games any more.

I came on here to give a detailed breakdown of how I saw the game, but most has already been said. We seemed to be highlighting the 6 again rule as being something we can really take advantage of, but when Shaul has come back looking as unfit as he does, and evidently losing a yard of pace, then we will not be able to take advantage of it. Noticeably as well, when there is a quick play the ball, defences are compacting behind the ruck to combat the scoots from acting half. The teams that will benefit from this, will be the ones who see the defence compacting and actually spread the ball at speed to the edges, they will be the ones that will benefit. We, sadly, cannot do this at all.

Reading Gaz Ellis on our soft underbelly, and the in between the lines of needing to be a right hard individual to even play our game, one incident springs to mind in yesterday’s game when “Lannon ” I think, smashed Fonua with an illegal and deliberate shoulder charge, which really should of been dealt with by the officials, I can think of other lesser thought of Hull teams who would have made sure this particular player got his pay back, one way or another, yet nothing happened, nothing, and subsequently said player continued to do what he wanted during the match. Little thing maybe, but shows this team, on that and other performances are not together, there is still something not right in our group, but if Last or AP doesn’t have the answer then I’m buxxered if I do.

Inspirational coach needed, I’ve changed tack big style, this promotion from within is a mistake as early as it is.

Can people remember Sean McRae calling out the attitude of the club years ago?
Think he even called it a “cancer” at the club.

This attitude seems to be a prevailing, running theme. If being in and around Gaz Ellis every day doesn’t inspire you, you may as well give up.

Last year's play the ball clamp down appears to have been rescinded, it certainly speeds up the play the ball when players walk over the ball with absolutely no backward movement of the foot to touch the ball. Makes life so much easier for the acting half back.

The fact we have to keep rolling Gaz Ellis out in the side in the hope that he inspires players around him is pretty pathetic really, and sums up the attitude and mentality of our current captain, vice captain and other members in the senior group

Your right “ccs” but when Lolly runs through Jones 10 yards out, it makes you wonder wtf is happening to us.

The more I dwell on yesterday, the more I think Last should have been out the door right behind Radford. Purtill and Ellis should have been the interim leadership.

Carlos was the only player who looked at all bothered about playing some rugby for 80 minutes. Shaul has had one good game since 2016 (Leeds Rd 1) and has gone backwards by miles, his attitude absolutely stinks which will happen when the coach is your best mate. I hope to god him and Houghton are off to the championship as neither would get into any other SL side on this season. With relegation off the table, anyone OOC should be sent on gardening leave to try and cut the rot IMO.

Imagine it when Hull announce extensions for Houghton and Shaul

His passion is not in doubt but his decision making has proved to be flawed. He is solely responsible for the situation he finds himself in. Bradford Bulls rugby was obsolete well before Civid-19 became an issue as was recognised by many of your supporters.

Thirty-eight missed tackles yesterday
Fonua 5 (also three errors)
Kelly 4
Sneyd 4
Houghton 4 (63 completed)
Sao 4

Hats off to Carlos though
Metres 181
Carries 14
Tackles busts 5
Clean breaks 2
Runs from dummy half 2
Try assist 1
Tackles 11 (just one missed)

Pretty good in a team that was totally outplayed.

Only just had chance to watch it, we stunk the place out.
No idea, no pride in the jersey.
Last has had enough time to change things even if by a small amount, but he hasn't, enough time to motivate the players to get back to match mentality but that hasn't happened.
IMO 6 seasons of Radford drummed into him as an assistant was never going to disappear, honestly I don't blame Last, he's never been head coach material or has been happy to just be an assistant which indicates same thing, he's a stop gap in order to keep players going through the training, he has to say the right things even if he doesn't have the ability to actually change/motivate players to be better. I never had any illusions that things would change but this performance was just as pathetic as other Radford coached wallopings. Pearson should have used the postponement of the season to rethink and simply get shot of Last at the same time

If we continue to play like we did yesterday or don't improve much/get results then Pearson is in an even worse position than ever before. Lots of players on big contracts not performing as we expect, little desire from too many players, a youngster pool that doesn't seem to be firing on all cylinders, and honestly hasn't for some while.
This means fans less likely to want to spend money on a membership (which could also be for other non playing reasons), less value for sponsors going forward so that might well also be affected.

As others have said, we need a clear out, a coach with firm ideas that doesn't involve bish bang wallop as our primary mode of winning games, from that not having a plan B is something that is the wrong way of thinking. An effective coach understands that you exploit all aspects of your squad that means you're far more rounded in terms of attack and defence.
Basically someone who understands the value of basic rugby league football skills both in attack and defence, someone who can actually manage players as a manager, isn't afraid to make the tough decisions without needing to use blunt force as the only way to attempt to modify things

I don't know how much Pearson has got left in him to want to invest money in the club, so much good work has been undone and squandered, Pearson, our club is IMO behind where we were when Gentle took over on the basis of what I watched and what went before

Tough times for fans

That's very impressive from Carlos, he's performed very consistently and rarely has an off day, he's 7th in the Tackle bust count and Griffin is 2nd.

Just thankful we weren't playing St Helens yesterday. Salford were good but the thought of Grace and Makinson up against our wingers... Saints could easily have put 70 or 80 on us.