I think Turner is better than Shenton, and given the choice I would never have signed Martin, I have never understood what he's added to our squad aside from his experience, at the bottom end of Super League.

Shenton hasn't been anywhere near the player he was even at the end of last season when he got injured, he'll only tackle with one shoulder and he can't pass the ball either. I'd rather have Yeaman - Crooks - Whiting - Cunningham next season than include Shenton in that mix

I just don't see this 'vast' improvement in Turner, he's still the same player just playing in a better defensive structure, which compensates for his defensive deficiencies. He's always been quick, good feet and hands. His try scoring record has always been impressive.

You've just answered your own question. Turner is better than shenton on current form and saints obviously see the potential
. I hope we don't get shenton as a replacement.

Turner is because he's leaving us. Duh.

Yeah sorry forgot anyone leaving us is sh 1t and will obviously be cast as a fc reject

Corse he will be an FC reject! He is one of the most improved players in our squad, gone length of the field at Saints and can put his winger away.

As I say, . Now he's going, anyway.

True mate players always get played down when their leaving!

8 good games, do you not remember the last 2 seasons?

I remember him scoring 9 tries in 9 games last season. Obviously, you don't.

Anyway, this argument is pointless anyway, judge a player on what they are now not what they used to be. Or is Sharp e as well?

A quick question. If Shenton is all that certain people are making him out to be, why isn't the rest of Superleague queuing at St. Helens door.

Absolute bollox and completely missing the point Tom. He's not vastly improved at all, he's always been as good as he is, he's playing in a better structure defensively, which is down to Gentle.
People are happy to state this as the reason for Sharps improvement but dismiss it with Turner?

It's daft panic, if this hadn't come as soon after the Manu debacle as it did people wouldn't be almost livid with losing an average SL player.

Wage demands?

How do you know they're not?

How do you know they are given that only us, Rovers and Cas have been mentioned.

I don't, the point was that you don't know that they aren't.

I think confidence also plays a large part and Gentle seems to have instilled that. Turner is playing better not only because of the defensive structure you state but in attack were he now seems to back himself more as seen at cas. If you're playing or working for a better manager you always raise your game and improve performance.Turner is a classic case of this. He is now better than average and English to boot. I see rather more room for improvement in him and can see his stock value rising playing for saints.
I would rather we kept him.