Maybe when professional sport is your every day work? Doe it not count for the players as a job then?

there are some Agar fans that refuse he could even be a part of the problem though.

TBF I am not reading posts that totally exonerate Agar from the problems at Hull. Some are sympathetic to his injury/visa problems which were out of his control, some think a number of players are a big problem, some think his sidekick is a hinderance and that Agar needs to grow a pair and get rid.

The answer is probably a bit of all the above.

We know he will start to season as head coach and if the player cull happens and injuries are kind to us then Agar will sink or swim by what Hull FC do and the field of play. He still has a hell of a lot to prove.

You are exactly right and it's something I have said recently as well. I think some people unfortunately think that attaching (usually silly and immature) labels to posters who disagree with them in some way enhances their argument. Also calling Agar names is also embarrassingly prevalent. There are good arguments on both sides of the Agar divide and even better ones near the middle of it IMO but alas some prefer the playground level of debate to that of grown ups.

I agree with you about the childishness of it all, especially when no side of the debate has conclusively proven to be correct. I have to say though Il be the first to gloat to all the Agar backers on here when he does get the boot, but equally if he somehow makes a success of the season I would be the first to eat humble pie.

As far as calling Agar goes, respect is earnt and he's done nothing to earn mine. I think he's probably a nice guy but a useless coach and a spineless, unintelligent man. I have the right to give my opinion on him on here, and I'd be happy to tell him this to his face before anyone brings that up.

For me its not about backing agar, its about backing the boards decision to give him a chance with the signings he has made for next season. Im unsure if he is good enough

In a nutshell. Me too. And if he isn't good enough then he goes.

Have you ever met him? Because I'm not sure that forming an opinion of his intelligence or willpower based on a limited number of media appearances is all that clever TBH.

Intelligence does not always make someone articulate, and it's difficult to judge how much 'spine' he possesses without access to all the facts about what's been going on behind the scenes.

You certainly have the right to give your opinion of him on here (as long as you stay within the AUP) but you probably ought to be aware that posting stuff like the above makes you look rather childish IMO.

My concern about that is how much damage gets done in the meantime.

Fair point. And that appears to be the Board's gamble in a nutshell. The Board should have backed the last coach but didn't and my own view is that they have decided to take a different approach this time. Maybe they are rewarding the big payout Agar gave them last year by reaching Wembley. Who knows ?

I disagree that it's childish because it's based in evidence. As you say it's not just down to being articulate (although he certainly isn't), but I'd say it is evidence of lack of intelligence to play Radford at loose forward, to manage our interchanges as badly as he has, to move
Thorman to FB the way he did against Hudds and to (rumour I know) be looking at signing someone as injury prone as Tate when we've had the injury problems we have for the last two years. He's spineless because he hides behind a litany of excuses rather than concede his own failings, the players, the fans, the injuries, not his team etc. Those are just off the top of my head, maybe if I met him I'd discover he was Albert Einstein but I very much doubt it.

You're confusing intelligence with common sense and/or technical ability. Being a bad coach doesn't make him stupid.


I'm willing to be corrected, but I don't believe that Agar has ever said anything about it not being his team. He has also admitted to not being very good at handling the bench rotations. As for the other stuff - do you [iknow[/i that it [iisn't[/i the players? And are you saying that injuries have had no impact on us this season?

The comment about the fans was ill-judged, but even then he didn't claim they were responsible for the situation, just that they were making life harder.

I've always thought Agar speaks fairly eloquently - by the standards of RL coaches at least. I don't think he lacks for intelligence necessarily. I do think he maybe lacks the force of personality and previous pedigree to implement and inspire changes amongst a dysfunctional squad.

Tony Smith could do it with a squad that wasn't his, Agar couldn't, fair enough. But having come this far, isn't it worth seeing how he manages a task for which he might be better suited next year?

Fair enough, my comments were ofcourse related to his decisions regarding the team so perhaps 'stupid decisions' rather than 'stupid man' is fairer.

I recognise fully that injuries and problem players have impacted our season but ultimately I am convinced that a better coach in the same circumstances would have achieved more.

Finaly, I do think showing a basic lack of common sense is a sign of an overall lack of intelligence though, that was my point re his fans excuses.

I can see the sense in that argument, but given that we've had two wasted seasons it's a risk I can't understand why the board are taking.

Taking Noble for example, he wouldn't be my first choice but with him in charge it virtually guarantees we will be in and around the too half of the playoffs next season (especially given the forward-orientated nature of next years squad).