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| Quote: PAUL M "If Agar goes do people know what they actually want? There are many reason why Agar could be wanted out by the fans and I would agree with most of them but I wonder how long a new person would be given but they suffer the fans backlash. I am not defending Agar but just asking what do we want?
I would look at Saints and Leeds who have just appointed new coaches and ask would the Hull fans have been happy with either McDermott or Simmons? McDermott is hardly a top coach and does anyone think Leeds comeback at MM or impressive performance on Friday was down to him? I don't, I just saw a typical Leeds style display. Same with Simmons, did their comeback or demolition come as a result of the new coach or was it down to a typical Saints style performance? I don't think either of those two would have been looked upon favourably by the fans and with good reason. The fact is the type of ruby both those sides play are ingrained in them. Of course a coach could do a tweak here of there but they will always play 'their' rugby. Under Mcrae we played some great rugby but never had anything to show for it, Sharp came in and changed us into a team that attacked the ruck and got us to a GF and since then it has stuck. To me a lot of it comes down to the players mentality and that is a battle any new coach of Hull will have.
I don't think a new coach can work miracles and I think the process will be a slow one as the mentality of the player needs to change. People bang on about a new scrum half but even if we signed Thurston it won't change our style overnight, it needs a comeplete change in mindset and that will take time. Take Bradford with Orford, he produced the odd moment of brilliance but the Bulls never looked any better. I think we sometimes give up on players too easily, Washbrook for example, the same thing happened with Brough who had he stayed would have maeant we did not have the halfback problems we have had for the last 5 years. yes he had problems but we could have worked on them, he is exactly what we lack.
I'd love Noble to get the job personally, he would bring some defensive tactics to our game such as a rush defence and he would bring real structure to our play. People give huge praise to McGuire but imo he benfitted hugely from what Noble did at Wigan and whislt he has done a great job Noble gave him an ideal platform to work from.
Whoever we bring in once Agar eventually leaves I think we need to be patient and not expect miracles.'"
I agree about Noble, wouldn't be a bad choice by any stretch of the imagination. I know some people have said we could do better, but I don't think we're in a position to ATM. Noble could at least get us back on the right track for somebody to take over a much healthier situation in 3 years' time. For all we finished higher last season, I don't honestly believe we're any closer to being contenders than the previous few seasons. When it comes to crunch time we are severely lacking. As you say, at least Noble could get us to the stage where a real top coach would both be interested and able to take us that next step.
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| I don't know enough about Aussie assistant coaches to have a view. Some have come over and done well, others haven't. I'm not really a huge Noble fan, but there are precious few occasions when a coach of his calibre is without a job and saying publicly he wants a coaching role at a club that's underachieving.
If we were to replace with McNamara, it would be (almost ) the final straw for me, having spent the last couple of years hearing Bradford fans around here complaining and wanting him out, then rejoicing at the appointment of Potter.
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| Quote: B0NES "The crusaders played some great attacking rugby at times last season under Noble . Huddersfield (Remember when they were just bash and barge )have embraced a new attacking mentality under Brown but have kept their rigorous defensive qualities in no more than a couple of seasons.
Wire got rid of Cullen and look at the way Smith has them playing now .I don't think fans are expecting miracles but you look at what other teams have done in a couple of seasons and what we have done .'"
Hudds are not much different imo in terms of style of play. They still attack around the ruck and kick well whcih they did before Brown. The difference is everything they do now they do to a higher standard, I always thought Hudds were more than bash and barge.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "I agree about Noble, wouldn't be a bad choice by any stretch of the imagination. I know some people have said we could do better, but I don't think we're in a position to ATM. Noble could at least get us back on the right track for somebody to take over a much healthier situation in 3 years' time. For all we finished higher last season, I don't honestly believe we're any closer to being contenders than the previous few seasons. When it comes to crunch time we are severely lacking. As you say, at least Noble could get us to the stage where a real top coach would both be interested and able to take us that next step.'"
Noble is also pretty good when it comes to recruitment, he did a good job for Wigan and the Crusaders aswell as at Bradford.
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| Quote: PAUL M "Noble is also pretty good when it comes to recruitment, he did a good job for Wigan and the Crusaders aswell as at Bradford.'"
That's because he is respected both here and in Australia Paul. He is a known name and face across the RL playing world, Agar simply isn't and as a result will never have the pulling power that Noble has.
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| Quote: Smiggs "That's because he is respected both here and in Australia Paul. He is a known name and face across the RL playing world, Agar simply isn't and as a result will never have the pulling power that Noble has.'"
True, that said Agar got Fitz and Ogre!
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| The one downside with Noble is does he bring through the kids well enough? We have a decent crop of youngsters on the verge of the first team, but looking at Wigan, Crusaders and especially Bradford he seemed to prefer to sign an ageing Aussie rather than give a kid a chance, e.g. Tim Smith and Sam Tomkins at Wigan. Just look how well Wigan's kids played last season that were nowhere near the first team under Noble.
Saying that, he would be better than Agar!
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| Quote: PAUL M "True, that said Agar got Fitz and Ogre!'"
Only if you believe the spin, I tend to believe that money did most of the talking there.
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| Quote: PAUL M "Noble is also pretty good when it comes to recruitment, he did a good job for Wigan and the Crusaders aswell as at Bradford.'"
He does have a good eye for established players, but as others have said there are question marks over his willingness to use youth. That said, although we have spotted young talent and brought it to the club in recent years, we don't have anywhere near the strike rate of turning them into SL players we should, so it's still not exactly something we're excelling at currently.
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icons42da_files/5424-2890lipst1ck_d0rk-msnicons.jpg THANK YOU Mr. PEARSON, FOR RIDDING US OF FCKWIT FUBAR, CEO TOOL AND THE STINKING UNCLE KATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Go now Agar !! You are not fit for purpose and we don't want you here !!
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34077.jpg THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS................YOU GO IN UNDERCOOKED & YOU END UP GETTING ROASTED!!!!!:34077.jpg |
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| Quote: PAUL M "True, that said Agar got Fitz and Ogre!'"
Without Rich Agar, we wouldnt have any of the Briscoe bros ............FACT!!!
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25029_1389002443.jpg [b:a3vty4bg]AIRLIE BIRDS FLYIN' HIGH YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL
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| After reading the book, if a Noble person was to cone in....he would be Long gone!
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| Quote: juryman "Without Rich Agar, we wouldnt have any of the Briscoe bros ............FACT!!!'"
do you honestly think they would follow him to the NL
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