If you lose 50-0 at Wembley can you both lose and be beaten ?
I’m still unsure

The win at Wembley in 2016 was everything. Not winning at Wembley was a monkey on our back which we had no guarantee of ever being rid of.
Winning in 2005 was amazing but in now way compared to the sheer outpouring of emotion in 2016. How many of us came away from the game in 2005 elated but cursing the fact we hadn't won the game at Wembley Stadium?!
Then to go back a year later and right some wrongs of previous final defeats was too good to be true.
A truly defining couple of years.

For me as a long time Hull FC supporter periods of solid success have come in roughly 30 year cycles with lean/ average times between. So 1950's, 1980's and 2010's. Also 1920's was good for my dad.

the win at Wembley in 2016 was massive, anyone saying it wasn't just a little bit daft!

Isn't it time for your bed the grown ups are having a discussion

Really, why, because you placed a lot of emotion in to the fact we had not won at wembley, I didn't, it was a great day, a win we snatched from defeat by heroic efforts but an average performance on the day, I wasn't washed away with emotion like some because winning at Wembley wasn't a big deal for me.
For me it isn't the pinnacle of following Hull FC (for me) but it is for Mrs B and others. Read again why that is relevant to what is being discussed regarding hanging on to what fans do as their own pinnacle, like Rovers 10-5 win against us in 1980.

You're changing what I said, nowhere did I say winning the CC was meaningless, I said not having won at Wembley didn't mean anything, the location of the win is what you and others invested a lot of feeling/emotion in to that fact, for me it didn't matter one jot if we had won at wembley, simply winning wherever is enough.

I understand why and I'm not saying it's wrong to have felt that way I'm just exploring why fans hang on to a certain pinnacle as you said you would with 2016 as you don't think it can be bettered, just as the 10-5 victory for some Rovers fans is the pinnacle for them and will continue to hang on to that pinnacle just like yourself and others.

It makes you and other FC fans no different to the KR fans in that respect.

nothing MY club has done in the Radford era means anything to you, that is clear, why not go "support" a different team?

I was Lee's biggest critic, but I have happily had to eat that humble pie, Wembley was a BIG deal, maybe not to you, but I care more about what my cat thinks of his Dreamies than the diatribe you constantantly post.

Why not just say "nothing the club achieves with Lee at the helm means anything" and move on...

ALL the Cup wins mean a lot to me. In 153 years we've only won it five times and I've been there for four of them, so I consider myself very fortunate.

2005 was an amazing feeling 23 years since the last Cup win. There was a tinge of regret that it wasn't at Wembley but it's still the same trophy. That said to finally get that monkey off our back in 2016 was for me the greatest day in the club's history.

All of that.
Would say you've summed it up for a lot of us very eloquently.

I see the point that you’re making, but harking back to former glories doesn’t have to mean limited subsequent success.

Just because Hull have enjoyed recent cup wins, shouldn’t be any reason for those old enough to remember to stop looking back on your Premiership in ‘91 or the Elland Road replay in ‘82. Or for those younger to seek out the stories and rich history from then and back through the Roy Francis era and beyond to Billy Batten and Jack Harrison. That we were good in the 80s doesn’t mean we shouldn’t celebrate Flash Flanagan, Frank Foster, Scrubber Dale, Jack Spamer, Laurie Osborne, Arthur Moore, Alf Carmichael, Anthony Starks et al.

We should be grateful for people like Roger Pugh and Pete Allen, exactly for harking back to those stories.

And it doesn’t always have to be the big wins. I’ve read a few Codger’s Corners over the years, and they quite often have something along the lines of ‘it had been a difficult year...’ near their beginning. After our last major trophy, our years of oscillating between the top two tiers still gave us Paul Fletcher, Stanley Gene, Scott Murrell, Mick Vella, Michael Dobson, Clint Newton and an interesting variety of minor honours. And some nice derby memories as a cherry on top.

Wasn't Black Forest gateau still in fashion the last time you beat us in a derby?

Prawn Coktail starter
Chicken Kiev
Blackforest Gateau

all in Dominics in Anlaby....

as was buying silly expensive carpets for the board room but not paying players and a certain solicitor "disappearing" the profits of the sale of the old craven park...

Molotovin koktaili for Craven Park.