I think a link up between the two groups and evolving into a single voice is a great idea, as would be the eventual disbandment of FCVoices, that way there can be any "divide and conquor" tactics from the club.

Why would we have any say in that? As far as I can tell they have no membership and therefore no mandate to act on the fans behalf so we have no right to ask them to disband. FC voices was set up by the club to act as a conduit for the fans to highlight any issues to the club. I think they do a good job and are completely different to an independant supporters group anyway. I think it would be helpful for the independant group to have a seat at the table within FC voices aswell as their own formal meetings with the club.

I'd certainly be interested in hearing what the Black and White Association has to say as I dont really know that much about them.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that there is a space on FC Voices that is nominally for an ISA rep but is currently vacant.

Correct Kosh.

FC wanted to cut all ties with HISA at one point and this was the only way we could all find to keep them on the scene.

I can not stress enough that it is vital to the whole club that we reform HISA or form a new ISA. A pressure group it may be with the aim of supporting the club and not a debating society with a policy of attacking the board, coaches and players.

If that happends what would happen to the members like myself that represent a certain fan base like disabled and Ex players etc?

FCVoices and HISA are different organisations, HISA will have a membership Voices have not.

Yeah but I mean if Voices disbanded because of a fans group? The whole point of Voices was to have representation from a variety of fan bases ( I know you know already Ian,

) This is why I don't think Voices should/would fold, and theres a space already and waiting for the next representative of a fans group

You'd join HISA (or whatever it is called).

As it is you could have HISA and FCVoices having oposing opinions, which would hand the power straight back to the club.

There is a place on FC Voices Committee set asside for a representative of an Independant supporters group just as there is for Black and whites, the disabled supporters and the ex players. B&W decided not to take the option up but the other two have representatives there at every meeting. That place is there for any representative nominated by The ISA, that is built into the constitution of FC Voices. I would hope that the two groups could work together and no doubt the members of Fc Voices would, as the new group gained some momentum, decide themselves whether they still had a role to play!

In fact I would hope that there would be a place on the new organisations Committee for a representative from FC Voices!

I think you will find that the members of Fc Voices are a bit above open warfare and and would only get involved when they could help.

It is hardly likely that they would side against the fans organisation, they are more likely on certain issues to either support them or stand aside and let the ISA get on with it! When FC Voices got as many fans saying they backed Friday games as those who said they were against them they just decided to do nothing because as they have no mandate from a membership they could not get a clear indication of what the fans wanted!

There is no place for meglamania in this excercise if there was it would fail!!!

It will not be in any new organisations interest to go ham fisted at it and expect an organisation who have built a strong relationship with the club to fold before they have even found out whether the club will talk to them!!

That would look really unproffessional for starters! The new organisation needs to be concentrating on building a relationship with the club first and formost, and opointing out to the club the benifits of working together, rather than looking for absolute power as far as the fans organisations are concerned!

Spot on