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Quote: fcandy "Just to point out there is no board at Hull, Adam owns the club 100%. To put most of the blame at his door is extremely unfair. '"


I'm not sure on the relevance the ownership of the club has in relation to what I said? I mentioned board level, not shareholders. The directors who have an impact on the playing side of things, CEO, DOR, etc - the people who sit around a table and disuss the direction and strategy of our club.

Nor did I lay most of the blame at his door(?).


Quote: fcandy "He trusted an assistant coach (to the best team in the world) to recruit on his behalf and that's as safe a bet as you can get really. Gentle got the recruitment wrong but at the time of appointing him, I can't remember seeing a single objection on here to him? So to be fair to Adam, nobody could have foreseen and therefore predicted that his recruitment would be so poor. '"


Again, I didn't solely blame Pearson, I blame those that are/were in positions of power and decision-making since he bought the club.

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I've just e mailed the club letting them know of my dissatisfaction at our current plight and coaching appointment and to inform them I will not be renewing my season pass.
Pedantic it may be but I just felt I had to try do something positive instead of just chuntering on here. Used this address tellus@hullfc.com
I've just e mailed the club letting them know of my dissatisfaction at our current plight and coaching appointment and to inform them I will not be renewing my season pass.
Pedantic it may be but I just felt I had to try do something positive instead of just chuntering on here. Used this address tellus@hullfc.com


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Quote: Errlee Berd "For what it's worth, here's my two pennies worth.

Like most others I think Radford is currently out of his depth, and was promoted to Head Coach way too early in his career. Maybe the right time would've been to serve another 3/4 seasons as an assistant, then make the step up - but hindsight is a wonderful thing afterall. Whilst defensively we've been fairly good, in attack it's been very poor and his man-management skills apparently are lacking.

In roughly equal measures to the decision to appoint Radford, is the poor recruitment that we've seen under Pearson's tenure. Not every signing has been poor, and you can always expect the odd one not to work out, but we seem to have a big proportion of failed signings.

Just this year, we've had Pitts, McDonnell, Arundel, Crooks and Miller have had virtually no impact on our season whatsoever, and ultimately we have x amount of the cap not on the field. I think Radford does have a point when he mentioned our salary cap management, although that in no way excuses the performance at the weekend.

We also saw some decent, senior players leave at the end of 2013 (Tickle, O'Meley, Lynch, Briscoe, Holdsworth), and ineffectively replaced. The kicker situation was a farce, and we still don't have a halfback. Holdsworth wasn't great, but I reckon Radford would swap any of the current incumbents for him if he could.

The point I'm trying (probably badly) to make, is that Radford as our Head Coach is a problem and not working, but I think it's only a proportion of a much bigger problem that's festering within the club, ultimately at board level.'"


I have been one of the biggest critics regarding the impact that McRae had using Howes as almost an exclusive supply chain of players. However, I can't buy the argument that the recruitment has placed us in this position.

Many players are signed each season by all clubs, some work out and some don't. I have no idea if Pitts was signed on an excessive contract but one thing I do know is many on here were very impressed with his form at some stage last season. Just compare the signing of Carvell, which Radford was responsible for, and the contract he will have been on and tell me if Pitts would have been any less of a player to have in the squad.

My point is maybe some of the salary cap could have been better spent, but in reality we are talking about 20% of the cap. I am confident in thinking that Cas are spending way less than 20% under the cap and so are Wakefield. It annoys me that blaming the tools left at his disposal has turned Radford in to an apologist who doesn't seem to want to say sorry but I am not getting anything like what is capable from this squad.

If there are issues and weak areas in a team, play to the strengths that the team has. I see no tactical sense and structured play that would win games we are narrowly losing.

Radford was brought in to correct what was seen as player power and weak management. Well it seems to me that all Radford changed was to call players out in public and treat them like children with banishment to Doncaster. I feel like the so called soft approach of Gentle was misread as weakness when in reality it was probably good man management. You work with what you have and any problem players are slowly moved on while you still get the best possible from them, especially if they are key players.

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Let us know the reply you get,it might be the same as mine stick with us.
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Quote: Bombed Out "I've just e mailed the club letting them know of my dissatisfaction at our current plight and coaching appointment and to inform them I will not be renewing my season pass.
Pedantic it may be but I just felt I had to try do something positive instead of just chuntering on here. Used this address
Fair enough and can't blame you for taking that action.

It does feel as though threads on here are just going round in circles and nothing is really happening at the club.

AP is worryingly quiet for me and would like to know what he is doing to improve things.
Quote: Bombed Out "I've just e mailed the club letting them know of my dissatisfaction at our current plight and coaching appointment and to inform them I will not be renewing my season pass.
Pedantic it may be but I just felt I had to try do something positive instead of just chuntering on here. Used this address
Fair enough and can't blame you for taking that action.

It does feel as though threads on here are just going round in circles and nothing is really happening at the club.

AP is worryingly quiet for me and would like to know what he is doing to improve things.


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Quote: FCFaithful Stu "I have been one of the biggest critics regarding the impact that McRae had using Howes as almost an exclusive supply chain of players. However, I can't buy the argument that the recruitment has placed us in this position.

Many players are signed each season by all clubs, some work out and some don't. I have no idea if Pitts was signed on an excessive contract but one thing I do know is many on here were very impressed with his form at some stage last season. Just compare the signing of Carvell, which Radford was responsible for, and the contract he will have been on and tell me if Pitts would have been any less of a player to have in the squad.

My point is maybe some of the salary cap could have been better spent, but in reality we are talking about 20% of the cap. I am confident in thinking that Cas are spending way less than 20% under the cap and so are Wakefield. It annoys me that blaming the tools left at his disposal has turned Radford in to an apologist who doesn't seem to want to say sorry but I am not getting anything like what is capable from this squad.

If there are issues and weak areas in a team, play to the strengths that the team has. I see no tactical sense and structured play that would win games we are narrowly losing.

Radford was brought in to correct what was seen as player power and weak management. Well it seems to me that all Radford changed was to call players out in public and treat them like children with banishment to Doncaster. I feel like the so called soft approach of Gentle was misread as weakness when in reality it was probably good man management. You work with what you have and any problem players are slowly moved on while you still get the best possible from them, especially if they are key players.'"



I completely agree with you on every point about Radford. Apologies if my post implied it, but I wasn't saying it was solely poor recruitment that put us in this position, more a combination of Radford mixed with a few years of poor recruitment decisions and direction from our DOR's & Pearson.

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Quote: Errlee Berd "I completely agree with you on every point about Radford. Apologies if my post implied it, but I wasn't saying it was solely poor recruitment that put us in this position, more a combination of Radford mixed with a few years of poor recruitment decisions and direction from our DOR's & Pearson.'"



I quoted your post as I agreed with your points. Just wanted to add that I think recruitment is being hidden behind as the main problem. Especially by the club. I couldn't believe I was hearing Radford quote that £400,000 of the cap was unavailable, as he implied it had been wasted on certain players. He has only himself to blame for not getting the best from those players.

If certain players are on £100,000 and they should be on £75,000, they are still £75,000 players, therefore stop moaning about what they earn and get the best out of them. Its almost like the first day as head coach for Radford was spent looking through personnel files at what players earned and anyone who earned more than Radford and didn't deserve it in his eyes went on to a black list.

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Quote: FCFaithful Stu "I quoted your post as I agreed with your points. Just wanted to add that I think recruitment is being hidden behind as the main problem. Especially by the club. I couldn't believe I was hearing Radford quote that £400,000 of the cap was unavailable, as he implied it had been wasted on certain players. He has only himself to blame for not getting the best from those players.

If certain players are on £100,000 and they should be on £75,000, they are still £75,000 players, therefore stop moaning about what they earn and get the best out of them. Its almost like the first day as head coach for Radford was spent looking through personnel files at what players earned and anyone who earned more than Radford and didn't deserve it in his eyes went on to a black list.'"

do we have any player genuinely worth £75k, I don't think we do.

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Quote: Standee "do we have any player genuinely worth £75k, I don't think we do.'"


The way some of them have played this season I don't think they're worth 75p...

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Quote: Standee "do we have any player genuinely worth £75k, I don't think we do.'"



I can see why Ellis is paid more than that, in a strong competitive team I could see him being worth every penny.

If the going rate for a SL player is around £60,000 then in theory many of our players are worth £75,000 as they would find other clubs willing to pay them that. Although I agree with your sentiment that non of the team are worth that going on this years efforts.

It would be interesting to know what Tuson earns, he wont have moved from Wigan for peanuts and can do no wrong in Radford's eyes, yet to me sums up the abject averageness of FC.

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I think Sue Smith is still the PA to Adam Pearson. He won't have an email address that takes unsolicited mails.

Email Radford is sacked/leaves, Motu will be put in charge until a successor is found.
I think Sue Smith is still the PA to Adam Pearson. He won't have an email address that takes unsolicited mails.

Email Radford is sacked/leaves, Motu will be put in charge until a successor is found.


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What if Crooks doesn't want to play for Hull ?

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Quote: Staffs FC "What if Crooks doesn't want to play for Hull ?'"


Then we need to ask why. He was happy enough last year.

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Quote: Doc Brown "Then we need to ask why. He was happy enough last year.'"

Last year he didn't have the accolades he has now and an agent telling him to cash in on them.

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